The Right-Wing Campaign to Purge Women From Women’s Sports
The Right-Wing Campaign to Purge Women From Women’s Sports
Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is the latest Olympic athlete deemed insufficiently female by extremists obsessed with the strictest of gender binaries.Natasha Lennard (The Intercept)
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Imane Khelif was disqualified for not meeting gender criteria from world championship.
Edit to all: I am not against LGBT+ or anything. I just post news, take what you want.
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takeda
in reply to pelerinli • • •By already disqualified IBA which was disqualified for corruption and pro Russia slant.
They claim they have evidence, but never provide it, they disqualified her after she beat a Russian boxer. Why didn't they disqualify her earlier fight after she won against the Nigerian (IIRC) boxer.
Not to mention 9 fights she lost to other women.
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in reply to ShittyBeatlesFCPres • • •While it may be true that IBA is corrupt, let's not use the logical reasoning that IOC's reputation for corruption adds more credibility to their claim. Imagine if Trump called someone corrupt, would his own corrupt reputation leads you to believe his accusation more? I don't believe so.
We should avoid using bad logic to support a correct opinion because it only damages the perception of your other arguments.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres
in reply to stephen01king • • •It’s not necessarily bad logic. If a regular at a dive bar says someone drinks too much, it’s probably a sign that person drinks way too much. If a college kid tells you an all-you-can-eat buffet sucks, it’s probably not secretly delicious.
Trump (like his diaper) is always full of shit so him calling someone corrupt wouldn’t mean anything. It’s not about logic; it’s about whether the narrator is reliable or not.
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in reply to ShittyBeatlesFCPres • • •Then what's the point of your previous comment talking about the narrator being reliable or not? Sounds like you just had no actual point and wants to use inconsistent logic whenever you want by calling it wisdom.
All I'm saying is that a corrupt individual is not a reliable narrator, therefore it's illogical to use their corruptness as proof of their reliability at calling out corruption. Your counter examples are not relevant because their qualities does not directly make their statements unreliable.
And again, I'm not calling out the truthness in this matter, since I also believe the IBA is corrupt, but I'm calling out your use of bad logic to support that position. I'm sure if you actually read my comments properly you'd understood that I never questioned the truth in your statement about IBA, only one of the logical reasoning you used.
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in reply to locuester • • •Even as a joke.
The other person may not take it that way.
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in reply to Flying Squid • • •Seriously? You deleted a humorous “good bot” reply?!
Didn’t realize how quickly the authoritative mods would show up.
Is this just a Lemmy world thing, or world@ or what?
Flying Squid
in reply to Arthur Besse • • •We do not know what is between Imane Khelif's legs. It is absolutely possible to be XY and be born with a vagina that looks and works like any vagina. They might even have rudimentary (but non-functional) female reproductive organs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonad…
If that is true about Imane Khelif, she may not even have known about it most of her life.
Should all Olympians be genetically tested or just examined to see what's between their legs? If the former, which event do the women with Swyer Syndrome perform in? How about people with both sets of genitalia? They exist. What about people who are XXY or XYY?
And if you think the latter- please do justify that sort of invasive examination for the purposes of athletic competition. Unpaid athletic competition at that.
gonadal dysgenesis that is characterized by a normal 46,XY karyotype along with a progressive loss of germ cells on the developing gonads of an embryo
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in reply to Flying Squid • • •The determination of who may compete in limited-class sports must be made by rules.
It’s not a matter of who you or I think is a woman who qualifies. Only the governing body of that sport makes that determination.
Flying Squid
in reply to RickRussell_CA • • •That really doesn't answer my question, it just splits it up between different bodies.
So let's say it's just a specific governing body of a sport? I'll reword it with a minor changes:
Should athletes be genetically tested by that body or just examined to see what’s between their legs? If the former, do the women with Swyer Syndrome perform in the male or female divisions? How about people with both sets of genitalia? They exist. What about people who are XXY or XYY?
And if you think the latter- please do justify that sort of invasive examination for the purposes of athletic competition.
I think you can give a general answer to that question which applies to all members of, at the very least, the boxing league Khelif is in.
Bell
in reply to Flying Squid • • •Flying Squid
in reply to Bell • • •So it is entirely based on hormones?
I guess in that case, men with hypogonadism would fight women. Right?
In that case, maybe they shouldn't classify it between "men" and "women" classes.
Male hypogonadism - Symptoms & causes - Mayo Clinic
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in reply to Bell • • •There is also Adrenaline, Cortisone, etc. also giving certain advantages.
Maybe we should try to cancel out ALL natural variations, to make the competitions more fair.
In the end, we can only allow exact clones from each other to compete to each other.
And end up with competitions which equal to throwing a dice, because nobody can be truly be "the best" anymore, which can be defined as "possessing the best set of natural variations that makes this person a born winner".
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in reply to Flying Squid • • •Sorry, that's just reality.
I can't give you a general answer that applies to all of women's sport, and for a specific answer regarding a particular women's sport, you'll need to consult with the governing body of that sport, and recognize that body may pander to interests (commercial, or the preferences of its participants and other stakeholders, etc) that have nothing to do with how you prefer to define "woman".
Flying Squid
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in reply to Cryophilia • • •What is a sport? Why does it exist?
It exists because people come together to play it. And maybe because some people are willing to pay for tickets to watch it, or sometimes because powerful people want it (to sell product, to train people in national defense, etc).
If you're not engaged with any of those stakeholders, you can't change the sport. Ideas about the limited women's class of sport will only change if the players & organizers want it to change -- or in the rarer case, because the ticket buyers demand change. But many of these sports are not driven by ticket sales, so there is limited opportunity to win hearts and minds.
Dran
in reply to RickRussell_CA • • •I think the debate is about what a reasonable class is. I don't think that an appendage, or identity for that matter, is a reasonable proxy for capability class. In my mind you really have to go one of two ways.
You either make everything class-less (think UFC 1) where all weights, sizes, abilities, genetics compete for a singular title
Or
You make science-based classes, based around whatever the best proxy for capabilities are (testosterone, chromosomes, height, weight, body fat percentage, some combination of the former, etc)
If you use nothing as a proxy, there would be a lot of people unable to compete but it would at least be unequivocally "fair". If you use science-based capability classes you would have a wider range of "fair-ish" competitions, but there might be some weird overlap where some men, some women, and those in-between bridge accepted norms.
Cethin
in reply to Dran • • •The thing is there's always going to be people unable to compete. I don't have the ability to compete in the Olympics, and that's OK. I'm not asking for them to make a class for people like me specifically.
I don't know what the "right" solution is, but my opinion has always been that the premier class should be unrestricted and anyone can compete. Whether we have subdivisions is another question, and then what those subdivisions should be is another. Is gender/sex the correct subdivision, or should it be something else? There are many women who can kick my ass despite being a 6' tall man. Gender/sex is not a definitive proxy for capability.
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in reply to arin • • •Is this an "Air Bud Rule" thing?
Also, we have no idea if Khelif is biologically male. We have one corrupt Russian official saying "well maybe."
Mirshe
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in reply to Mirshe • • •SSJMarx
in reply to Lemming6969 • • •Here's a standard: if you live as a woman you're a woman.
There is absolutely no reason to assert that this must be the case.
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in reply to Flying Squid • • •As far as I can tell, that reliable information isn't out there other than the fact that a Russian judge said she tested as XY and that she's tested for high testosterone. I'd say XY is a pretty good starting place to call someone male or at least not traditionally female, if that test can be trusted.
But I think a lot of the controversy here comes from a lack of trustable info.
Flying Squid
in reply to realitista • • •You mean the Russian judge who said that after she beat her Russian opponent? Cool. Let's see the evidence.
You aren't believing a Russian judge, of all people, without evidence, are you?
Also, does that mean anyone with XY gonadal dysgenesis needs to be genetically tested before they're allowed to compete? If so, at what age should they be tested? The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old skateboarder from China. The youngest Olympican ever was an 11-year-old figure skater from China.
Now... bear in mind that many women who have that particular condition are not even aware that they have it.
Would you be willing to support either genetic testing or genital examination of 11 or 12-year-old girls? Do you think that might make girls and women less likely to aspire to be athletes than they might occasionally have to compete against a "man?" Because I sure do.
gonadal dysgenesis that is characterized by a normal 46,XY karyotype along with a progressive loss of germ cells on the developing gonads of an embryo
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in reply to Flying Squid • • •No, I'm not saying I believe him, and yes I would like to see the evidence. It's pretty hard to draw conclusions without it.
And no I don't support genital inspections of 12 year old girls, and frankly don't think genital inspections are probably the best way to decide this. I think chromosomes and hormone levels are probably the best we have, and maybe there's just a class for athletes that fall outside the norms for their sex, similar to weight classes, because it's pretty clear that it does give a huge advantage.
But it's worth considering that maybe 12 year olds just shouldn't be in the Olympics in the first place.
Flying Squid
in reply to realitista • • •Why not, if they're the best athletes in their country?
Also, it is far more complicated than you have any idea about. This person can explain it better than me:
realitista
in reply to Flying Squid • • •Fair enough. But why not handle these exceptions in the rules then? If they don't confer a major competitive advantage then let them compete as the sex they feel like.
But I don't think we can draw this out to a full blown man who identifies as a woman so gets to compete against women. As usual, there is a sensible middle ground, and you have to get into the weeds a bit to sort it out.
Its like people who say only "pure capitalism" or "pure communism" is the best system, when in fact they are both garbage options, and the best is actually capitalism constrained by socialist policies like in Scandinavia. Yes, it's messy and complicated and hard to figure out, but that's pretty much always the case for coming to the best result.
The extremes on either side are almost always wrong.
Flying Squid
in reply to realitista • • •What is a "full blown man" in your definition based on what I pasted above?
Also, who gets to decide that and what is the test?
realitista
in reply to Flying Squid • • •Flying Squid
in reply to realitista • • •The governing sport body in this case being the IOC. Who did decide. You just don't seem to care for their decision.
So make up your mind.
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in reply to realitista • • •The youngest Olympian this year was 12. The youngest Olympian ever was 11.
Why? Why would any woman want to not only prove their biological sex, but allow that private medical information to be public?
How about letting women compete openly and without scrutiny in any men's athletics competition? Shouldn't men be tested too?
realitista
in reply to Flying Squid • • •All of this I've covered in this thread except the last point.
I don't have any problem with women competing openly and without scrutiny in men's athletics competition because I can't think of any sport where it would confer an advantage. If there were one, I would be against it in that sport. Though safety would still need to be a consideration in any contact sport.
Also worth mentioning, I am not against the idea of getting away from the idea of having sports separated by sex completely, and somehow tiering them by ability. But I think that would be exceedingly difficult to do in a way where it was safe and fair for everyone, especially when it comes to boxing and martial arts. But for other non contact sports, I don't see any reason to have a division by sex at all, just have tiers from best to worst.
Flying Squid
in reply to realitista • • •Which other threads? I'm supposed to find everything you wrote in conversations with other people in the hopes that I can find out why you think an 11-year-old Olympian shouldn't have their gender tested but an 18-year-old Olympian should?
Also, how do you define a gender-based advantage in a sport? Can you define it?
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in reply to realitista • • •Boxing has weight classes. As do most other martial arts.
The problem is not a 50kg men fighting a 70kg women in terms of injuries and power imbalance. And in that set up the women most likely wins. The problem is the typical situation of a 80-100 kg men smacking down on a 50-60kg women. And that is the image the demagogues try to conjure.
So if your full blown men is a 60kg feather to be able to compete against another 60kg women, the whole trope falls apart.
realitista
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in reply to Lime66 • • •Yep. I practice martial arts frequently, and there are plenty of women in the dojo who could win me in sparring, mostly because they are more experienced, younger, and I've also seen a couple who are stronger than me. And there's nothing off about this.
But most of us are not in the top 100 of our sport. I most definitely am not. The people in the olympics are.
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in reply to realitista • • •Can you cite an example of this?
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in reply to SSJMarx • • •Boxers and wrestlers have weight classes because weight confers a massive advantage and almost predetermines the outcome of the match. You might as well just award someone for weighing more, because skill can only overcome it to a point.
I would prefer if competitive classes were determined by things like weight which are universal and obvious and non-invasive to measure. However I don’t know if that works for everything. Hormones do in fact confer major advantages, as chemical doping does. Should we not test for doping either?
I do think it’s actually more invasive to try to measure if someone “lives as a woman” than it is to measure what’s in their blood. How do you even begin to define that, and aren’t you engaging in prescriptive sexism as soon as you start? I can tell that your suggestion comes from a place of wanting to support women and their autonomy but I don’t think you thought it through at all, at least not in the context of competitive sport. If you don’t care at all about fair sports competition, it
... show moreBoxers and wrestlers have weight classes because weight confers a massive advantage and almost predetermines the outcome of the match. You might as well just award someone for weighing more, because skill can only overcome it to a point.
I would prefer if competitive classes were determined by things like weight which are universal and obvious and non-invasive to measure. However I don’t know if that works for everything. Hormones do in fact confer major advantages, as chemical doping does. Should we not test for doping either?
I do think it’s actually more invasive to try to measure if someone “lives as a woman” than it is to measure what’s in their blood. How do you even begin to define that, and aren’t you engaging in prescriptive sexism as soon as you start? I can tell that your suggestion comes from a place of wanting to support women and their autonomy but I don’t think you thought it through at all, at least not in the context of competitive sport. If you don’t care at all about fair sports competition, it’s all super easy. If you do want to enable fair sport competition, you have to actually deal with the complexities and not just fire off leftist slogans.
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in reply to ZK686 • • •Would it make a difference to you if the controversy kicked off because the org that disqualified these two fighters was banned by the IOC from participating in the Olympics for shady stuff? Or if the org has never said why they were disqualified? Or if the guy making the wild claims is the head of the org and a friend of Putin, and the DQ for one fighter happened after she beat an until then undefeated Russian fighter?
You really should look into the background of it. Here's an AP News link
Imane Khelif outcry fueled by banned boxing body with Russia ties
GREG BEACHAM (AP News)rainynight65
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in reply to ZK686 • • •Lemmy doesn't care about fairness. Only about ideology.
According to Lemmy it's only fair to remove gender based competitions as gender is only a social construct. Fuck all the women who worked hard and dedicated their lives to a single event. Fuck them brutally because we want our ideology to stand victory.
An extended result of the view is that unaltered women does belong in the home pursuing more domestic tasks.
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in reply to Arthur Besse • • •IMO this reflects the conservative mindset that everything is black and white and that if they believe it then it will manifest itself as truth. Even if they have to force it to be so in a convoluted and hypocritical way.
What I think is that nature gives some people the mutation that could save humanity one day. The ability for XX and XX to make a XY if all the XY are unavailable. Mother Nature shows this is a rule in many of the other species on this planet.
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in reply to thisbenzingring • • •TheFriar
in reply to Atin • • •I mean, generally, yes you’re right. The devolution of political discourse has seen to everything being boiled down to one side vs the other. But in this particular case, the argument from the left/people arguing against the right’s weird obsession with “masculine women,” isn’t a black vs white issue. It’s a “whatever we don’t like is wrong” vs “what are you even talking about.”
Yeah, it’s still a two-sided issue, because absolutely everything is. That’s just how we’ve been conditioned (in the US, that is. Our two party system is particularly vitriolic and stupid). But hat doesn’t necessarily make it a black/white issue.
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in reply to Arthur Besse • • •Oh boy, what a load of bullshit.
Khelif DOES NOT qualify as a true woman and has been excluded from entering female-only competitions in the past.
Be it by birth, by hormones or whatever, he/she does not qualify as a woman. That's a fact.
Other female athletes already have protested that Khelif is allowed for Olympia. That's also the reason why the opponent of this particular fight REJECTED to bump gloves after the fight, which is usually performed, out of opposition Khelif was allowed to enter the competition in the first place. This is considered rude and might have consequences but for her it was so important to make this statement and indicate the unfairness of that fight she's risking it.
Female sports are female sports to protect females from ahletes which are outside of what makes a femals a female.
... show moreThat's the reason men are not allowed to fight against women in Olympic boxing. Why? Because it would be unfair, that's why.
And that exactly is the reason Khelif has an unfair advantage because she's not female enough to enter female boxing competi
Oh boy, what a load of bullshit.
Khelif DOES NOT qualify as a true woman and has been excluded from entering female-only competitions in the past.
Be it by birth, by hormones or whatever, he/she does not qualify as a woman. That's a fact.
Other female athletes already have protested that Khelif is allowed for Olympia. That's also the reason why the opponent of this particular fight REJECTED to bump gloves after the fight, which is usually performed, out of opposition Khelif was allowed to enter the competition in the first place. This is considered rude and might have consequences but for her it was so important to make this statement and indicate the unfairness of that fight she's risking it.
Female sports are female sports to protect females from ahletes which are outside of what makes a femals a female.
That's the reason men are not allowed to fight against women in Olympic boxing. Why? Because it would be unfair, that's why.
And that exactly is the reason Khelif has an unfair advantage because she's not female enough to enter female boxing competition. Chess? Fine but not boxing. It's also not in the slightest a judgement about her personality, character or whatever.
Against males or in a "free" class, okay, but female class? No! That'd be unfair. And history has shown Khelif was NOT allowed to fight agains other female athletes in the past.
And all this has nothing to do with "extremist right wing". Nothing with men vs women, nothing about feminism or whatever. It's pure fact checking and what qualifies as woman and what not. To have a fair competition for the other female athletes.
MrAlagos
in reply to neonred • • •Khelif has been allowed to compete in female boxing by the IOC under their parameters, and by various other tournaments in the past.
This is not the explanation that Angela Carini gave to the public when interviewed. She said that she was overwhelmed by the fight, which she ended by retiring after 46 seconds, and could not think straight. She apologised for it. You are putting words in her mouth.
Khelif has took part in female boxing for the majority of her life.
microphone900
in reply to neonred • • •Banned governing body that’s fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history
It was hard not to copy and paste the whole article, I did my best to pull excerpts and bold important portions.
Summary-
Long story short, the disqualifications were done in a tournament run by an organization banned by the Olympics. Both boxers participated in tournaments run by this organization with no issues for the last several years. The organization hasn't said why they were disqualified. The man saying the weird trans woman claims is the leader of the organization. He's a friend of Putin and described as a drug trafficker. The disqualification for Khelif happened after she beat the previously undefeated Russian boxer Amineva 3 days post fight.
Strangely, nobody who's up in arms about the weird claim has looked into who made it, when, the context around it, or an explanation for it. They just ate it
... show moreBanned governing body that’s fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history
It was hard not to copy and paste the whole article, I did my best to pull excerpts and bold important portions.
Summary-
Long story short, the disqualifications were done in a tournament run by an organization banned by the Olympics. Both boxers participated in tournaments run by this organization with no issues for the last several years. The organization hasn't said why they were disqualified. The man saying the weird trans woman claims is the leader of the organization. He's a friend of Putin and described as a drug trafficker. The disqualification for Khelif happened after she beat the previously undefeated Russian boxer Amineva 3 days post fight.
Strangely, nobody who's up in arms about the weird claim has looked into who made it, when, the context around it, or an explanation for it. They just ate it up.
Imane Khelif outcry fueled by banned boxing body with Russia ties
GREG BEACHAM (AP News)maniii
in reply to microphone900 • • •India is a very corrupt democracy. As an Indian, I can tell you that sports are inherently corrupted to the degree in which money flows into it. For example, cricket is a sport rife with corruption to the point that the entire world cricket organizations and matches and tournaments are all suspect due to the heavy involvement of Indian corruption spreading its vile degenerate fingers into everything cricketing worldwide.
The only way you can trust anything here is if there is an independent individual measuring system that is completely corruption immune and resistant to external influences.
For example, physics, chemistry or scientific measurements. If a boxer is doping or throwing their fights etc. You can measure for those.
microphone900
in reply to Arthur Besse • • •Banned governing body that’s fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history
It was hard not to copy and paste the whole article, I did my best to pull excerpts and bold important portions.
Summary-
Long story short, the disqualifications were done in a tournament run by an organization banned by the Olympics. Both boxers participated in tournaments run by this organization with no issues for the last several years. The organization hasn't said why they were disqualified. The man saying the weird trans woman claims is the leader of the organization. He's a friend of Putin and described as a drug trafficker. The disqualification for Khelif happened after she beat the previously undefeated Russian boxer Amineva 3 days post fight.
Strangely, nobody who's up in arms about the weird claim has looked into who made it, when, the context around it, or an explanation for it. They just ate it
... show moreBanned governing body that’s fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history
It was hard not to copy and paste the whole article, I did my best to pull excerpts and bold important portions.
Summary-
Long story short, the disqualifications were done in a tournament run by an organization banned by the Olympics. Both boxers participated in tournaments run by this organization with no issues for the last several years. The organization hasn't said why they were disqualified. The man saying the weird trans woman claims is the leader of the organization. He's a friend of Putin and described as a drug trafficker. The disqualification for Khelif happened after she beat the previously undefeated Russian boxer Amineva 3 days post fight.
Strangely, nobody who's up in arms about the weird claim has looked into who made it, when, the context around it, or an explanation for it. They just ate it up.
Imane Khelif outcry fueled by banned boxing body with Russia ties
GREG BEACHAM (AP News)girlfreddy
in reply to Arthur Besse • • •Imane Khelif, Lin Yu-ting or any woman's testosterone levels give no more an advantage than Michael Phelps height, wingspan, hand/feet size and his body producing less lactic acid that shortened his recovery time. Yet nobody was screaming from their high horse about Phelps domination in the pool.
"The IOC insisted this week that no scientific or political consensus exists on gender and fairness issues. It gave updated guidance to sports governing bodies in 2021." Source
Right wingnuts can go fuck themselves.
Who is Imane Khelif? Algerian Olympic boxer facing gender outcry
GREG BEACHAM (AP News)Mirshe
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in reply to SSJMarx • • •I think the transphobic trend inherited a lot of its energy from the anti-gay currents I watched my entire life, and which largely had the breath kicked out of them when gay marriage became recognized around the country.
Not all of the anti-gay current was about policing women’s bodies. Thats in there. But it’s also about what they call deviance. They have strict roles for people and you can’t keep anyone focused on their strict roles when anyone has absolute freedom to flout them. I don’t even think they care what trans and gay people are doing in other places. They care about their own authority to command their children how to be, and they think this authority is undermined if anyone out there can live a happy life in defiance of it.
That includes policing women’s bodies but is not limited to it. Things like making sure your sons have short haircuts and work hard at practicing sports are in there too. It’s about policing people generally. Blows my mind how they think the Left are waging a culture war when all we are doing is busti
... show moreI think the transphobic trend inherited a lot of its energy from the anti-gay currents I watched my entire life, and which largely had the breath kicked out of them when gay marriage became recognized around the country.
Not all of the anti-gay current was about policing women’s bodies. Thats in there. But it’s also about what they call deviance. They have strict roles for people and you can’t keep anyone focused on their strict roles when anyone has absolute freedom to flout them. I don’t even think they care what trans and gay people are doing in other places. They care about their own authority to command their children how to be, and they think this authority is undermined if anyone out there can live a happy life in defiance of it.
That includes policing women’s bodies but is not limited to it. Things like making sure your sons have short haircuts and work hard at practicing sports are in there too. It’s about policing people generally. Blows my mind how they think the Left are waging a culture war when all we are doing is busting out of the cages they try to keep everyone in.
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in reply to locuester • • •I dislike your comment that respectfully and logically disagrees with what I said, which contributes to a more balanced and productive discussion.
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in reply to Arthur Besse • • •I don't think it's on purpose really, it's just that sports is like the only case where being a trans woman could be a benefit, so it's a critical part of the right wing attacks on trans people.
But then they just look crazy when they see there are more CIS child molesters than trans women in the Olympics, like surely if it was appropriate to be so mad about trans women dominating in sports you would have them showing up in the Olympics.
So they just had to invent a situation, and if it wasn't the CIS woman they decided on, they would have found someone else.