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HOW IT WORKS - TROLLEY OVERHEAD LINE

Back in 2019 I visited Beamish Museum, and used what I learned there to write about Trolley #OLE for the #OLEbook 6th edition.

#railways #OLE #OCS #OverheadLine

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in reply to Garry Keenor

Normally when I do a thread it's all "I'm an expert, this is how this works" etc, but I've never worked with Trolley equipment and so this thread was more tentative. I'd pieced my understanding together using en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_… & my battered copy of "Electric Traction" by Dover archive.org/details/in.ernet.d…
in reply to Garry Keenor

First lets get some terminology straight: Trolley OLE is different from all other types in one specific way; it is guided. In other words, the wire guides the current collector along it, rather than the collector adopting a position entirely governed by the vehicle it sits on.
in reply to Garry Keenor

Allegedly the word "trolley" comes from an earlier device - a "troller", which was a current collector hanging off the wire, and pulled behind the vehicle by an electric cable. Supposedly (wikipedia) the word Troller is derived from "trawler" because of the similar action.
in reply to Garry Keenor

The system was popular for trams in the late 19th/early 20th century; but most have now converted to pantographs. It is still the only way that a trolley bus system can take power - there just isn't enough room for 2 pantographs side by side.

The key advantage of trolley wire is that the position of OLE no longer needs to be strictly controlled relative to vehicle. This has obvious advantages for unguided trolleybuses, but is also useful for early trams, which used a dense network of tracks.

in reply to Garry Keenor

Removing the strict geometrical relationship between track and OLE meant more flexible wiring arrangements, with groups of wire runs clustered in the centre of tracks.

It is also much easier to mount a trolley pole on top of an open deck tram - the pole is insulated from adjacent passengers.

At the top of the trolley pole is a trolley head. Wooden trolley poles are provide with a traction cable running down the centre of the pole.

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in reply to Garry Keenor

The collector head is usually the slipper type; this uses a carbon block that sits within a grooved carrier that pivots in both planes. The slipper collector provides quieter operation & less sparking than the older wheel wheel type.

Crucially, the system only works when the head is behind the vehicle as it relies on the vehicle’s motion, which is always trying to return the pole to its neutral axis. Attempts to drive the vehicle in opposite direction will result in the pole leaving the wire.

in reply to Garry Keenor

Vehicles using this system therefore cannot reverse direction until the trolley pole has been rotated through 180°. This was originally undertaken manually by a person using an insulated pole, but this time-consuming process does not lend itself to busy urban tram operation.
in reply to Garry Keenor

For this reason the reversing triangle was developed; this uses the natural resistance of the trolley pole to being pushed rather than pulled, to effect an automatic reversal.

You can see a video of that operation at youtube.com/watch?v=d021xWx0Y6…

in reply to Garry Keenor

Trolley OLE uses a conventional section contact wire, but the grooved nature of the slipper means a conventional contact wire clip would foul the slipper. Trolley systems use a slimmer, longer assembly to achieve the same clamping force. This clamp is known as an ear.
in reply to Garry Keenor

Tram systems typically have more curves of smaller radii than conventional railways as they negotiate narrow city streets, and so frequent use is made of flying tails, either to buildings or poles via span wires.
in reply to Garry Keenor

On straight sections of track, support is either by span wires, or (if road width & aesthetic restrictions permit) by using cantilevers. Where these are used, they are typically designed to be aesthetically sympathetic to their surroundings.

At curves & junctions there are more sophisticated span wire connections than on conventional OLE to achieve the required contact wire position; multiple span wires may be anchored at a single point & wire runs may have pull-offs connecting them together.

in reply to Garry Keenor

Special arrangements are needed where wire runs diverge and converge, since the head must be actively guided onto the correct wire.

Unlike conventional OLE, the low tensions and speeds mean that it is practical to split one wire run into two; this is done using an assembly known as a frog, mirroring the terminology used in the track discipline.

in reply to Garry Keenor

Frogs are paired with similar arrangements at track level. Tram systems often used spring-loaded turnouts, held by springs in the dominant direction. Any tram moving through these in the facing direction will follow the normal path.

Trams moving in the trailing direction can approach from the dominant leg, but also from the other direction, the rails moving temporarily into the correct route under the force of the wheel flanges.

in reply to Garry Keenor

For these turnouts a spring-loaded switch frog is provided; this works in exactly the same way, the flanges of the collector head doing the same job as the wheel flanges.

We literally have turnouts in the sky!

in reply to Garry Keenor

Where trams may take either route in the facing direction, active measures are taken to switch the tongue to the correct route before a tram passes. Either the frog is manually switched, using a lever from ground level, or the switch can be automated in tandem with the track.

I've also seen references to trailing frogs with no moving parts - but I don't understand how they would work.

Anyone?

in reply to Garry Keenor

At Crossings where two wires cross and are of the same electrical section on a tram system, a simple grooved diamond is provided which mirrors the function of a track diamond.
in reply to Garry Keenor

Trolley bus systems bring additional challenges when wires cross, since the +ve conductor must cross the -ve one. So we must incorporate insulation, using two section insulators either side of the crossing and a jumper to maintain electrical continuity.
in reply to Garry Keenor

So the trolley system requires all of the switches and crossings that guided track systems do. The complexity of providing this in an aerially suspended system means that trolley poles often fall off the wire. Like this: youtube.com/watch?v=OfSDu-Vbh4…

Because these are LV low speed systems, it is possible to mount a gopro at the top of a trolley pole. This gives a fascinating insight into how these systems work & the dynamics of it. Check out youtube.com/watch?v=QHxMKWCm1d… and other similar videos.

in reply to Garry Keenor

Sidenote: these images were so hard to get. Getting detail on the underside of a wire on a bright sunny day was like:

*adds a stop of overexposure*
still no detail
*add another stop*
still no detail
(repeat until they chuck you out because its closing time)

Please do post corrections and additions, I could do with some trolleyphiles to improve my understanding of this very weird - to me anyway - system.

in reply to Garry Keenor

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in reply to Garry Keenor

I had always been of the belief that the non moving part overhead frogs rely on the fact by the time the head of the trolley pole reaches the frog that the trolley pole base is in one of two very different locations based on which route is being taken, so the head is basically dragged thru the frog onto the correct wire. I found a pic of the type I know of: sydneytramwaymuseum.com.au/tra…

Until I read your thread I had no idea movable overhead frogs existed on tramways!

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in reply to Fixed Block

@fixedblock Thanks for the photo! as for my query: mas.to/@25kV/11088322532890437…


@ckape yes, I think that's for a facing frog though? I'm trying to think what the physical structure of a trailing frog would look like. Maybe spring-loaded and weighted in one direction?

in reply to Garry Keenor

My understanding is that if you mount the overhead frog ahead of the rail frog, that will make the wire off-center from the trolley so the centering force of dragging the trolley pole will have it take the correct route
in reply to Brian Danger Hicks

@ckape yes, I think that's for a facing frog though? I'm trying to think what the physical structure of a trailing frog would look like. Maybe spring-loaded and weighted in one direction?
in reply to Garry Keenor

I think there's no actual wire in the frog, it's just a trapezoidal pan and the edges work like guardrails in a rail turnout while the shoe does the equivalent of a wheel rolling on its flange.
in reply to Brian Danger Hicks

Coincidentally, I went to the model train shop today and they happened to have back issues of the local trolley museum member magazine. Shoe collection frog on top, wheel collection frog on bottom.
in reply to Garry Keenor

ooh very exciting thread about trolleybus overhead wire tech!