Uproar as EU Parliament declines to hold minute of silence for Charlie Kirk
Right-wing lawmakers pushed for a tribute to the U.S. conservative influencer who was shot dead.
European Parliament President Roberta Metsola on Thursday rejected a bid by right-wing factions to hold a minute of silence for slain U.S. conservative influencer Charlie Kirk.
The initiative was first proposed by Charlie Weimers, an MEP from the right-wing European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR), as a symbolic measure “to declare that our right to freedom of speech cannot be extinguished,” according to an email chain with dozens of MEPs that was seen by POLITICO.
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •Because the EU has a lot of fascist chuds in it who stand for what fuckface stood for.
The US is speedrunning christofacism. But we aren't the only ones with a major infection.
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Vivé Luigi!
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zrst
in reply to MicroWave • • •No mention of the kids killed in that school shooting.
These people can go fuck themselves.
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in reply to Vanilla_PuddinFudge • • •Pretty sure they're referring to the school shooting that happened on the same day.
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givesomefucks
in reply to MicroWave • • •Let's celebrate our freedom of speech (which isn't even a thing in the EU) by forcing everyone to be quiet!
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Mîm
in reply to givesomefucks • • •Of course it is. Just not like in the US.
givesomefucks
in reply to Mîm • • •No, EU has freedom of expression...
Which is why it's "not like in the US" because it's a different thing...
We can tell that, because the fucking words are different.
fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/ar…
Kirk advocated for violence constantly, most of what he said wouldn't have been legal in Europe
Article 11 - Freedom of expression and information
European Union Agency for Fundamental RightsKlear
in reply to givesomefucks • • •givesomefucks
in reply to Klear • • •He said they have "freedom of speech".
I pointed out they have "freedom of expression" and that the vast amount of shit Kirk said doesn't meet the more rigid standards of the EU's laws...
And you think I'm conflating things?!
I'm literally clarifying, the person conflating is the one using two legal terms from different countries interchangably.
This isn't a philosophical debate, it's literally what all of these words mean...
You could have at least accused me of being pedantic, at least that would have been using words correctly
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rc__buggy
in reply to MicroWave • • •Man, fuck those assholes. We have motherfuckers shooting actual political leaders this year and these dicks want a moment of silence for a podcaster?
Eat a bag of my shit, Charlie Weimers
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Mgineer
in reply to MicroWave • • •That man is right they should hold a minute of silence for someone killed due to is freedom of speech and a minute of silence for everone being killed by an oppressor
Edit: two separate groups. A minute of silence for the actual people being oppressed by people that this guy supports
prole
in reply to Mgineer • • •Is that why it happened? Sure about that?
Kind of like how the Iraqis "hate us for our freedoms"
Mgineer
in reply to prole • • •Well I was implying that they could've told him sure whatever, but only if we also take a moment for every oppressed person like the Palestinians as an example.
Since right wing europeans would definitely not stand for that.
I guess I should've been clearer
zergtoshi
in reply to Mgineer • • •Or are you only interested in silence for popular Nazis?
Mgineer
in reply to zergtoshi • • •zergtoshi
in reply to Mgineer • • •After all each Palestinian (who isn't Hamas) who died at the hands of IDF just for being Palestinian deserves a minute of silence whereas I'm already quite satisfied by Charly Kirk being silent henceforth.
Adding other oppressed groups to these minutes of silence would be fine.
And that is what it boils down to: people like Kirk aren't being oppressed, they're oppressors. They don't deserve minutes of silence, but being silenced for good.
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in reply to unconsequential • • •DicJacobus
in reply to MicroWave • • •Yeah im gonna be blunt here, People who are seen as important, die all over the world every day, and Im having trouble drawing a line to why Charlie Kirk has fuck all to do with anything in any country in Europe.
you know, two countries that might have a reason to be upset for losing someone who WAS important to them, would be Russia and Belarus
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rumba
in reply to DicJacobus • • •"European Parliament President Roberta Metsola on Thursday rejected a bid by right-wing factions"
That's the stage the US was at about 15 years ago.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •rumba
in reply to TommySoda • • •Which is actually a bit of a problem, he's been pretty effective at being a propaganda spreading machine.
I will say that seeing all his no empathy pro-gun death comments coming back to be used against him does warm the cockles of my heart.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •inclementimmigrant
in reply to MicroWave • • •Oh man is the EU going to be shocked when Republicans impose more tariffs on the EU over this egregious oversight.
Also, don't forget this:
inquisitr.com/was-charlie-kirk…
Don't let them bury the truth about Charlie sacrifice.
Was Charlie Kirk’s Death a Trump Cover-Up to Hide Epstein Files? Netizens Think So
Inquisitr Newsnull
in reply to MicroWave • • •Marshezezz
in reply to null • • •Captainvaqina
Unknown parent • • •But we do issue official fascist decree to lower flags to half staff for 5 days.
Just like we did when the Democratic rep and her husband were assassinated back in June.
Oh wait, I'm wrong, we didn't hear a single fucking thing resembling reverence from the Nazis about that terrorist attack.
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Unknown parent • • •Why would Kirk even be eligible for a moment of silence?!
He wasn't a member of state. He wasn't even on someone's staff.
He literally was just some guy. Not even a notable guy. Just some guy that was conservative who, AT BEST, said some controversial things.
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in reply to Duamerthrax • • •Did they hold a moment of silence when that minnesota dem senator was killed? Honestly curious if there is even precedent for them doing it even for a politician.
I'm sure they don't hold a moment of silence every time someone in the US dies of gun violence, since they would never be able to speak...
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zergtoshi
in reply to prole • • •Find the praise, find the sickos.
Only a dead Nazi is a good Nazi.
And that is more than just a slogan.
In my mind it stems from the realization that those who don't honour the social contract forfeit any protection granted by it.
Take it or leave it, but don't cherry-pick.
If you hate on people and want them dead, well, guess what other people may think of your right to live?
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Lucidlethargy
in reply to Crozekiel • • •This is just one of those "did you even say thank you?" moments when Trump, Vance, and the other GOP Muppets try to generate outrage and play upon the ignorance of their base.
It's a show made exclusively for the idiots.
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in reply to Duamerthrax • • •Now he's being formed into a martyr for the Nazis.
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in reply to Garbagio • • •Dasus
in reply to EtAl • • •I think the earlier guy was asking if he's ever left the US because "travel widens the mind", but when people like that leave the country, they don't even really need to "leave the country". A private plane, constantly driven by his own people, eating his own food, etc etc etc.
Like Trump can go anywhere in the world and still not leave his cosy little McD and Fox&Friends bubble.
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in reply to CosmicTurtle0 • • •He had said some really heinous shit
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LoafedBurrito
in reply to MicroWave • • •Charlie was a nobody who got famous being racist on YouTube. Nothing else.
He deserves nothing.
HertzDentalBar
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Did they request a moment of silence for the children who were masacred?
Or just for the guy that preached hate?
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in reply to MicroWave • • •I held a moment of silence, it was when I was eating and I didn't want to choke as I was listening to what happened.
Charlie would want people like me killed and he would take great joy in it. I also don't have anything to prove to his peons by expending emotional energy for him.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •The proper reason for moments of silence are as described by our late George Carling who called for one such moment for the senior citizens who all stood up on a rollercoaster on a turn and thus went flying off of it. But as he put it, why a moment of silence? How about a moment of screaming in panic? HAaaaaa! NOOOOOO! DON'T STAND UP!!!! NOOOOOO! THEY DID!!!!! NOOOO! SPLATT!
Later he does explain that the senior citizens were retarded. But don't take my word for it. Google it, its hilarious!
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in reply to Evil_Shrubbery • • •I went ahead and did the calculation; I think I'm getting about 4 weeks (extrapolating from the last year, 20k dead kids -> 2 weeks of silence. Doubled for the two years.).
Lower than I expected. I'm guessing I haven't internalized that gaza is still a fairly small area, thus with a small population? Or was the first year substantially more deadly than the last (which really would surprise me)?
Evil_Shrubbery
in reply to Artisian • • •Yes, but imagine a solemn minute for each named individual that lasts 5 weeks non-stop.
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Not counting mutilated, orphaned, and (basically all of them, so 700k-ish) homeless. And with zero prospect of it ever getting better until they are alive.
I went with this figure, but same diff:
wiki/Effect_of_the_Gaza_war_on_children_in_the_Gaza_Strip
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The reason for the high number of children deaths even assuming indiscriminate killing (ie not targeting specifically children, which at least proven for snipers, isn't the case): Gaza/Palestinians are being severely oppressed for decades (since 48, or 67 more directly), they have artificially limited water access,
... show moreYes, but imagine a solemn minute for each named individual that lasts 5 weeks non-stop.
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Not counting mutilated, orphaned, and (basically all of them, so 700k-ish) homeless. And with zero prospect of it ever getting better until they are alive.
I went with this figure, but same diff:
wiki/Effect_of_the_Gaza_war_on_children_in_the_Gaza_Strip
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bbc.com/c4gmk2yj5e9o
The reason for the high number of children deaths even assuming indiscriminate killing (ie not targeting specifically children, which at least proven for snipers, isn't the case): Gaza/Palestinians are being severely oppressed for decades (since 48, or 67 more directly), they have artificially limited water access, electricity, medicine, etc so they die young & in Gaza like 40% of the population are children.
Gaza Strip has a ×2.6 higher density of population than New York City (5,967.5/km2 vs 2,309.2/km2), but less than a quarter of population.
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Bcs oppression.
General wiki info:
Til - despite all the hardship they have higher literacy than USA with 86% (normal countries are ofc 98+).
self-governing Palestinian territory next to Egypt and Israel
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Well no, right to free speech isn't curbed here. The people are just reserving their right to kill off hypocritical dogwhistling would-be fascists.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •I mean, obviously, but this still made me literally lol - like why was this even an expectation?
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(I should know more about these ECRs.)
If we don't do it for """global""" school mass shutting events (due to the frequency it would be very impractical), this "school shooting" shouldn't be the case either.
Also influencers like this pos actually affect the practical liberties of freedom of speech by "shouting the loudest" from their professionally raised platforms to comparably silence minorities & their talking points.
Also, doesn't usually Kenny get killed?
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right-wing political group of the European Parliament
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in reply to MicroWave • • •European here.
I don't give a fuck about dead Nazis.
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in reply to d33pblu3g3n3 • • •I do.
A fuck of approval that is!
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in reply to d33pblu3g3n3 • • •I'm downright celebrating.
Now if only uh...ALL OF THEM could die of lung rot, I'd be satisfied.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Pwwweeese, we need a moment of silence for
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in reply to 5too • • •Mniot
in reply to MicroWave • • •"Why would anyone in Europe care?"
I think the point of it would be to signal to Trump that Europe is his vassal. Trump says it's sad that this guy is dead, therefore Europe is sad. Doesn't really matter who it is or what's up. You're just following the pledge of fealty.
So, I think it's good that the EU decided they're sovereign for now. This sort of thing is always an ongoing project.
boonhet
in reply to Mniot • • •Yeah, keyword is "right wing" lawmakers.
In my country at least, the far right is currently looking up to the US and sucking off Trump. Their true master is Putin, but they can't praise Putin in public, we used to be part of the union.
null_dot
in reply to Mniot • • •Here in Australia there's a few Trump sycophants that pull this type of stuff occasionally, or try saying "make Australia great again", and just nutters that put Trump stickers and whatever on their cars.
The only explanation I've been able to develop is that they enjoy the reactions they get from people. In the same way siblings antagonise each other for a cheap thrill, these guys just like the feeling of antagonising people.
Our recent election has shown that Trumpism doesn't get much love here in Australia.
GoddessGundy
in reply to null_dot • • •It's interesting how you say this because I serve MAGAs. I'm a bartender in small town Merica.
They're naturally good people. They care. But if politics enter into the conversation, the narrative changes.
Many of them, when brouched with a hypothetical/reasonable question, such as, "Don't you find it interesting that if you speak online with people of other nations, they all find us shameful?" they say fuck them, 'Merica! We'd fuck them up anyway, if it came down to it.
They want to get a rise out of the "libtards". I've witnessed them preening and delighted out of the reaction they insight.
Once I steer the conversation, so I don't shoot my own damned self, they start complaining about prices in the same sentence they hope the tariffs will sink in and help them recover their losses.
We are a nation being forced fed our thoughts, opinions, and ideals. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
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in reply to altkey (he\him) • • •I read Shapiro canceled his next event. It's reminiscent of health insurance CEO's hiring security or not showing up to the office after the United Health Care shooting.
Who's still calling to free Luigi? This will be forgotten in another week or two and whatever trial that happens will not be front page news.
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in reply to MashedTech • • •Because US right-wing influences European right-wing politicians.
But the rest who aren't paid by them won't have it, lol.
Aceticon
in reply to Honytawk • • •It's only ever the European far-right, it's not even all of them and most of the ones which are influenced by America are pretty selective about what they take in because most of that shit in Europe is seen as seriously retarded shit even amongst the far-right here (for example, religiousity doesn't land well nowadays unless you're talking about really backwards places like Hungary, outside maybe the UK, nobody gives a shit about the ideas of the transphobes and there is zero support for the kind of gun ownership laws the US has).
Sure, some shit does leak, but the fully packaged message from people like Charlie Kirk would just not work anywhere around here.
My bet it that it was a handful of total unknowns amongst the European Far-Right who maybe get money from American sources (some European Far-Right parties were created with the money Bannon brought some years ago very openly to "create far-right parties in Europe" and I would be surprised if certain American interests had stopped buying such politicians in Europe) that suggested this and the others just went along
... show moreIt's only ever the European far-right, it's not even all of them and most of the ones which are influenced by America are pretty selective about what they take in because most of that shit in Europe is seen as seriously retarded shit even amongst the far-right here (for example, religiousity doesn't land well nowadays unless you're talking about really backwards places like Hungary, outside maybe the UK, nobody gives a shit about the ideas of the transphobes and there is zero support for the kind of gun ownership laws the US has).
Sure, some shit does leak, but the fully packaged message from people like Charlie Kirk would just not work anywhere around here.
My bet it that it was a handful of total unknowns amongst the European Far-Right who maybe get money from American sources (some European Far-Right parties were created with the money Bannon brought some years ago very openly to "create far-right parties in Europe" and I would be surprised if certain American interests had stopped buying such politicians in Europe) that suggested this and the others just went along with it.
When it, naturally, failed miserably to gain traction beyond that handful of obscure politicians, the newspaper owned by Germany's very own Murdoch-clone then described the reaction to that refusal by the overwhelming majority of the EU parliament to do it, as an "Uproar"
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in reply to MicroWave • • •So I'm an American. I'm not understanding when this moment of silence was supposed to happen. Usually an event or a game we care about, this might happen for someone truly influential. I was out of the know so I went to learn.
What the MEP(whatever tf they are) was asking, is that the European Parliament take a minute of silence during their Plenary.
Would US congress or senate take a moment of silence for a social influencer on either side of the spectrum for any other nation?
That is a rhetorical question. Nice try, but this is only "news" on social media where nobody would have known or cared about it if someone didn't post about it.
Our own government won't even do it. Football season is starting fresh and they didn't do it. Why the fuck would another nation give a shit???
braxy29
in reply to GoddessGundy • • •it was already done at an NFL game. i think? it was already done in Congress, where (if memory serves), right-wingers didn't feel a moment of silence went far enough and demanded a spoken prayer.
edit - to clarify, done specifically for the newly dead influencer, whose name i don't care to type atm.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Trump is going to find out soon how ANTIFA the world really is.
Imagine the world boycotting the US?
Of course, Russia won't be able to help because that will give up the ghost between Trump and Putin. And Putin will have the last laugh as the old Soviet counter to capitalism comes to fruition.
Crystal ball into the past
Keep in mind this man defected and is pushing Western anti socialist propaganda.
His theory of social manipulation is what is important in this video.
KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov's warning to America
YouTubecute_noker
in reply to Tiger666 • • •Trump has main character syndrome. Nobody cares. So many people get murdered all the time, why is this guy special? He has a YouTube channel?
Everyone knows what's going on.
ArmchairAce1944
in reply to cute_noker • • •The reason is that he was an anti-free speech hate monger with a huge following. In the minds of the far right those people are literally the only ones with ideas and the right to speak, and any form of attack, physical or verbal is not acceptable.
Another thing is that they want to force others to acknowledge their superiority over others. Remember Nancy Pelosi's being almost murdered? Or the killing of a Democrat law maker? Or even the attempted kidnapping of a governor? In their minds those are jokes. Trump even insulted Tim Walz when asked if he would give his condolences to the murders that took place there.
This is like how bullies behave towards their victims. If a bully shoves a kid down and breaks something expensive that they have, it is nothing... but if the kid has to serve the bully a drink in a cafeteria and it is 1ml too little or too much, that is the end of the world as far as that person's competence goes.
BarneyPiccolo
in reply to Tiger666 • • •That video is AMAZING!
The MAGAs are just doing exactly what the Russians want. Everything this guy predicted is coming true. EVERYTHING!
Tiger666
in reply to BarneyPiccolo • • •Yup, this video is from the late 80s I believe.
This is the machine having its eggs come home and roost.
This is what all good people should decry from the top of our lungs.
Governments and big money keep us under their thumb and it's about time the masses wake up and unite against these monsters.
HugeNerd
in reply to Tiger666 • • •Warl0k3
in reply to BarneyPiccolo • • •... That video is a former KGB guy claiming color revolution theory as a real thing - it's total bullshit, dreamed up to entice the same people that fall for Cultural Marxism today. It sounds really good, doesn't it? But it's all just confirmation bias - you're ignoring everything else that's happening, and the beats he lists off are incredibly common. Oh look:
- The younger generation is more liberal
- Your politicians are corrupt
- The economy is being volatile
- People won't like changing their mind even when presented with evidence
WOW! But we have recordings of people complaining about the same things carved into megaliths a few thousand years ago, so he's not exactly going to burn out his crystal ball by predicting they might come up again. It's the exact same kind of BS the CIA trots out to explain how it overthrew all those South American governments: they didn't, they just took credit for it and everyone believed them because it sounds so good. If you want more evidence that his theor
... show more... That video is a former KGB guy claiming color revolution theory as a real thing - it's total bullshit, dreamed up to entice the same people that fall for Cultural Marxism today. It sounds really good, doesn't it? But it's all just confirmation bias - you're ignoring everything else that's happening, and the beats he lists off are incredibly common. Oh look:
- The younger generation is more liberal
- Your politicians are corrupt
- The economy is being volatile
- People won't like changing their mind even when presented with evidence
WOW! But we have recordings of people complaining about the same things carved into megaliths a few thousand years ago, so he's not exactly going to burn out his crystal ball by predicting they might come up again. It's the exact same kind of BS the CIA trots out to explain how it overthrew all those South American governments: they didn't, they just took credit for it and everyone believed them because it sounds so good. If you want more evidence that his theories are bullshit, look around: Did the US fall to a "Global Communist Conspiracy" in the last 40 years...?
BarneyPiccolo
in reply to Warl0k3 • • •Except that everything he saying is actually happening, and it all tracks with Alexandra Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics, which is the Russian playbook, Google it.
It may have sounded like a fantasy when this was recorded, but after all these years of seeing Russia make steady progress on brainwashing half of Erica and controlling the government right to the very top, it all sounds like a perfectly accurate prediction.
The guy even talked about it happening right in front of our faces, and we just let it happen. That's exactly how MAGA rose. They just let themselves be lied to, and they chose to ignore everything else and believe it.
And here you are doing exactly what the guy predicted - ignoring the truth.
Warl0k3
in reply to BarneyPiccolo • • •That Aleksandr Dugin?
(I have read it, it's... a textbook. Not derogatorily, it says nothing new because that's not it's goal and it does present it's material in a pretty engaging way, it's just not more than that (and it didn't really claim to be))
Okay but like, how exactly, did MAGA rise? He doesn't specify that either, mind, he just makes the controversial claim that people would talk about the rise of a social movement they oppose. This is, in this case literally, propaganda 101. That you're entrenching yourself so hard against someone presenting a contrary idea is the fundamental way this works. I'm not attacking or rejecting you, I promise, please believe me. I used to be pretty anti-feminist as a teen (thanks reddit), and like the cat says, we all fall for propaganda.
... show moreThat Aleksandr Dugin?
(I have read it, it's... a textbook. Not derogatorily, it says nothing new because that's not it's goal and it does present it's material in a pretty engaging way, it's just not more than that (and it didn't really claim to be))
Okay but like, how exactly, did MAGA rise? He doesn't specify that either, mind, he just makes the controversial claim that people would talk about the rise of a social movement they oppose. This is, in this case literally, propaganda 101. That you're entrenching yourself so hard against someone presenting a contrary idea is the fundamental way this works. I'm not attacking or rejecting you, I promise, please believe me. I used to be pretty anti-feminist as a teen (thanks reddit), and like the cat says, we all fall for propaganda. There's no shame in that.
What I'm telling you is that this type of video (I think literally these ones with Yuri Bezmenov), where someone in a position of presumed authority claims that there's a vast Global Communist Conspiracy (or the like) that will take down America if it doesn't do things like "teach the next generation True Patriotism", will be used ten years later as an example in Foundations of Geopolitics. You're falling for the exact same propaganda that actually led to the rise of MAGA. It's not "enabling social rise through careful manipulation and Marxist Leninist concepts being unchallenged", it's telling both sides they're right and giving them proof that the other side is clearly being manipulated.
("It's right in front of you" in particular means nothing. You can't hide a huge social movement of the kind needed to destabilize a country, that just... doesn't even make sense. It's just a call to accept your own biases as factual. "It's not a shadowy baseless conspiracy, it's exactly whatever you think it is!")
HugeNerd
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in reply to MicroWave • • •"Should we have a moment of silence?"
"Absolutely not! He was a Nazi propagandist!"
"Fair enough. Moving on...."
betanumerus
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in reply to CosmicTurtle0 • • •On one hand, to Europe they were just some guy. True.
On the other, they were the co-founder and CEO of a political influencer operation so influential that the US President and their party are doing all this crap to honor them. Kirk is responsible for radicalizing many people into real violence.
arc99
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Canaconda
in reply to MrSulu • • •That's because of people like Charlie; who take advantage of people's ignorance and good will.
His closed end debate style is designed to sedate critical thinking. Example; his response to, "how many trans shooters?" was "too many". He just plays on peoples morals and preconceptions.
The audience he retains are people who've been conditioned by the church to surrogate their faith in god with a human pastor. In this way Charlie cultivates an audience that loves trump based on what Charlie tells them about trump.
I'll never forget my sister telling me in Dec 2024, how Trumps policies would be the best thing for the USA, because Charlie kirk is "prolific in economics". Her brain literally broke when I asked her to explain why she thought that.
dejected_warp_core
in reply to Canaconda • • •Exactly. Prompt the other party to exercise the smallest amount of critical thought and you can watch it all unravel. It's fucking exhausting, but that's what it takes.
I once heard someone drop some nonsense in a conversation about how "San Francisco is a dirty place." Not only is "city = dirty" a common right-wing trope, but it had zero place in our conversation. It was just kinda parroted nonsense ham-fisted into our dialogue. I simply replied: "I've been to silicon valley and the touristy parts of downtown, and what I saw was a nice clean place; I can't speak for the rest of it." The guy stopped for a sec and said "well, I haven't been there myself so I guess I can't either."
Canaconda
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in reply to Amonverite • • •SCmSTR
in reply to MicroWave • • •The USA is starting to have a social justice assassin problem.
Oh no! Anyways.
ripcord
in reply to SCmSTR • • •SCmSTR
in reply to ripcord • • •Lka1988
in reply to SCmSTR • • •You literally watched part of that happen yesterday, my dude.
Don't get caught up in romanticizing historical events. History books list big historical events all in one go and jump from one to another through the pages, enough to a point where one could think that something was happening every day. But we all know that wasn't the case. Nobody writes about the weeks or months between those events where nothing happened.
MajorasTerribleFate
in reply to SCmSTR • • •(movie trailer voice) They made fun of liberal weenies.
(character from movie) Universal Healthcare is only bad for insurance executives!
(movie trailer voice) They ridiculed queer voices.
(movie caricature of bi guy at a protest, southern U.S. accent) The Bible says Adam AND Eve, not Adam OR Eve!"
(movie trailer voice) This summer, the Left strikes right back.
July 4
SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR
[This film is not yet rated]
SCmSTR
in reply to MajorasTerribleFate • • •phutatorius
in reply to SCmSTR • • •So far, it seems more likely that this guy is a groyper.
"Flawed vessel doing the lord's work," as the holy-rollers say.
Tudsamfa
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YouTubeLittleBorat3
in reply to MicroWave • • •We don't care. We also would not hold a moment of silence if Joe Rogan was shot.
He was some right-wing idiot influencer, what do you expect?
Should we have a minute of silence if some Putin propagandist in Russia dies?
Wtf why is this a topic at all?
What's with the Trump fd little girls on Epstein island, can we get back to that?
phutatorius
in reply to MicroWave • • •No uproar. Fascists got told no by the majority.
They can always go have a viking funeral, or sacrifice a goat, or slice their arms while ululating, or whatever the hell those people do, just not in the European Parliament.