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Ah

We have a TGV station (Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud) that has a train line to the town (Valence Ville)

How should we connect the two in the middle of the morning?

SURE! A BUS! 🤦‍♂️

09:40 - 09:48 | 8min Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud 09:55 - 10:02 | 7min Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud 10:35 - 10:43 | 8min Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud 11:35 - 11:55 | 20min Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud 12:35 - 12:55 | 20min Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud 13:06 - 13:14 | 8min Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud TER17510 Details v TER17353 Details v TER17512 Details v Bus K21 Details v Bus X73 Details TER96634 Details v Valence Ville Valence Ville Valence Ville Valence Gare Routière Valence Gare Routière Valence Ville
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Jon Worth
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Ah

And who the hell might want to connect from the train from Marseille and *get into Valence* 😡

Connection missed by 4 minutes

07:34 - 08:39 | 1h 5min Marseille-St-Charles TGV 5376 E Details Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud Preis ermitteln Weiter
08:35 - 08:43 | 8min Valence TGV Rhône-Alpes Sud TER17506 Details Valence Ville Preis ermitteln Weiter
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Grégoire
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Needless to say, they also don’t wait if one or the other is delayed
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Oliver Blanthorn
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this stuff happens so often that I'm sure they do this on purpose to avoid anyone believing that a connection is expected to work

or maybe they get some kind of pleasure pulling out of a station watching the sad faces of everyone on the train opposite. was probably written into the union contract in lieu of a pay rise one year

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Jon Worth
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@bovine3dom When I asked a train manager about it in Hauts de France a few weeks ago - when I saw the connecting train leave as mine pulled in - he looked at me as if I had three heads for even asking. I then told him Czechia did this better and he was a bit annoyed.
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Jon Worth
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It's going to be another one of those Jon-on-a-bike-is-faster-than-waiting-for-SNCF moments, isn't it
A bike route from Valence TGV to Valence Ville
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Photodouze
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Done that (with a Brompton). Luckily it goes mostly down, but the road is quite awful.
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Grégoire
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@photodouze I highly recommend a headlamp as well. Did it a few times and it’s not pleasant being there after dark.
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@grlodi @photodouze It’ll be middle of the day in April, most likely. So should be fine 😀 And I always have decent headlights on the Birdy - hell I’ve needed them!
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Gabriel Pettier
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@grlodi @photodouze it’s been a long time i went by there, but i’m not sure there is a decent bike lane and iirc it’s a highway for cars, and [checking] the road on the side doesn’t look great 😬

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@tshirtman @grlodi @photodouze I’m using Komoot, it routes me on side lanes. Better routing than Google Maps. It’ll be fine in the daytime.
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Wrzlbrnft
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Once again: Avez-vous pensé au co-voiturage ? 🤡

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Stephen Cook
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This is why it's called active travel, first the brain work to figure out a schedule, then the leg work to bridge the gaps between services.
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Knud Jahnke
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I took a taxi...

Have a look if that road actually allows bikes. It looked like an Autobahn.

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Jon Worth
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@knud With minor tweaks: komoot.com/tour/1980769775 Easy to avoid the dual carriageway

#CrossChannelRail Valence TGV - Valence Ville | ride | Komoot

Jon Worth planned an outdoor adventure with komoot! Distance: 11.9 km | Duration: 00:40 h
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Knud Jahnke
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OK, good. I just felt very autobahny - but that was all I saw and my focus was on my watch, not bikeroutes 😬
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@knud oh I am sure you can do it pretty fast 🙂 Not my concern thankfully though, if all goes to plan!
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Knud Jahnke
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My _taxi_ was able to do it pretty fast. This wasn't planned, but the end of a 6h chase that started in Mannheim.
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Roy
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Agonising. Why let a train run from the middle of nowhere? Because _obviously_ you want to take the direct TER from Marseille, it's why it's there, not for those fools who like to take a TGV. TGV is made for Paris, not for the rest of the country.
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Sarah Brown
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@Jon Worth Best description I heard of how SNCF operates is "A flight level zero airline".

And ... yeah.

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Krist van Besien
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coordinating schedules is probably against the law in France.
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André Sintzoff ✅
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Marseille-Grenoble can be done in about 2h30 with a decent connection in Valence TGV. Unfortunately, this is only possible once a day. Probably, absolutely not on purpose.
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Grégoire
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I love reading your posts, I believed this was a normal railway for most part of my life. Most French think this is normal and doing better is too hard/expensive/impossible.
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same crap everywhere, the TER are slowly being replaced by buses in the middle of morning, afternoon and later in the evenings.
Makes no sense and so frustrating when the infrastructure exists
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