Exciting! Mastodon may soon see support for incoming rich text.
Which means that more formatting options will be seen in Mastodon.
github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pโฆ
See screenshot for what this might look like.
Add support for incoming rich text by ClearlyClaire ยท Pull Request #23913 ยท mastodon/mastodon
Add native support for the incoming tags: del, pre, blockquote, code, b, strong, u, i, em, ul, ol, li Transform h1 through h6 tags toGitHubcontents
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Sounds good.๐
Hopefully no #fonts and #colors .
Copying and pasting from websites (etc.) into a #toot then becomes tedious, as with website content in html, for instance.
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in reply to llewelly • • •Or integrate some proper WYSIWYG editors in the apps with the way to escape asterisk and other characters. Now, this is probably more daunting and surreal than making people more informed in the ways of Markdown.
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in reply to Alex0007 • • •Jupiter Rowland
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in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland Personally i'm using #WriteFreely for those posts, but project has a lot of bugs and i can't recommend it to anyone.
Bugs: ActivityPub is out of sync on edits, broken fonts on first load, bugged posts import etc..
Here is obvious bug which they marked "Not a bug" lol
github.com/writefreely/writefrโฆ
Fonts are not applied on first load ยท Issue #650 ยท writefreely/writefreely
GitHubJupiter Rowland
in reply to Brian Hawthorne • • •@Alex0007 I've got a blog on #WriteFreely myself. It used to be on #Plume before that, but then the instance disappeared without a notice, and at that time, Plume seemed to be half-dead anyway.
Should everything else fail, I can still move the posts to #Hubzilla itself. They won't be as distraction-free, but they'll be on the same domain and project as embedded pictures.
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in reply to Lenin • • •Per Funke
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Per Funke • • •@Per Funke You won't be able to write formatted text either way. This is a read-only feature that'll let you see bold type, italics etc. in posts coming in from outside Mastodon.
And even if you could write formatted text, it wouldn't be by formatting it in Word with point-and-click and then copy-pasting it into Mastodon with all formatting.
It'd be Markdown. Markdown means
**bold**, __bold__, *italics*, _italics_etc. You'd have to "program" the formatting into your toots by hand. This isn't Word-style WYSIWYG.But again, you won't be able to do that. You'll only be able to see it from others.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Per Funke • • •@Michael Gemar Those who'll nag Eugen about it will mostly be those who still "know" that the Fediverse is only Mastodon, and who think that these pretty posts must come from some modified Mastodon instances.
Those who don't will migrate to elsewhere in the Fediverse where you can format your posts. Places where all those cool formatted posts come from.
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Per Funke • • •@Kat M. Moss I think size and growth don't matter. #MissKey is currently exploding, but from a huge influx of Japanese users.
Right now, the cool kids in town seem to be #Akkoma, #GoToSocial and good old #Friendica.
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in reply to Helge • • •Helge
in reply to colorblind cowboy ๐ทโ๐ป • • •Architecture of the World Wide Web, Volume One
www.w3.orgJudy Anderson
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Judy Anderson • • •@Judy Anderson Don't worry, this won't affect the way you write your toots.
It'll be read-only, i.e. it'll only concern posts coming in from projects in the Fediverse that aren't Mastodon.
Markdown support will only enable you to read this in bold type, this in italics, this with an underline,
this as codeetc. (Check my original post at the source.) But you still won't be able to write this way on Mastodon.CarlRJ
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland the concern isnโt so much toots you write getting or not getting Markdown (personally, Iโd like to see the capability added eventually, but it would have to include some metadata or magic cookie at the front of the toot, becauseโฆ)
โฆ the big concern is the huge body of existing plaintext toots getting โhelpfullyโ reinterpreted as Markdown, leading to, for instance, underscores in variable names getting rendered as italics, or random โ*โs turning blocks of text italic or bold.
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in reply to Judy Anderson • • •FeralRobots
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to FeralRobots • • •@FeralRobots The only tag which Mastodon doesn't strip away is the URL reference tag.
Bold type, italics, underline, strikethrough etc. are stripped away when they come in from other projects in the Fediverse.
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in reply to FeralRobots • • •@FeralRobots @Sarah Brown We could try a complete run-through. Which of these can you see?
StrikethroughCodeWe could also try tables or other kinds of lists.
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in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •Can't see any of them. I think @goatsarah is likely right & I'm conflating my native instance with some forked instance.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to FeralRobots • • •@Emperor Palpapeen @FeralRobots I think it's all translated to a common language in ActivityPub anyway, probably HTML.
The issue with Mastodon is that it strips everything off except
<a href>.That said, I myself consider the lack of text formatting support a minor issue in comparison with how Mastodon handles pictures in posts from outside.
FeralRobots
Unknown parent • • •No, I'm not seeing that as bold, which really makes me wonder how it's happening.
Bold/italic is not common, but I do see it. @jupiter_rowland has explained how I'm seeing links.
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Unknown parent • • •Ah I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that was faux-bold via unicode, which was puzzling me since it obvs wasn't unicode.
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Helge
Unknown parent • • •I see I was confused by this line in Mastodon code base.
After looking at it again, I realize there is a white space there, resulting in the link being remove. How fun.
mastodon/sanitize_config_spec.rb at 2e74577b8c680cff66edb00f8d086ca34b735a37 ยท ClearlyClaire/mastodon
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in reply to clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy ๐ธ๐ช๐ญ๐ฐ๐๐ • • •I mean, anything's possible. My anecdata in this case is analogous to a self-reporting survey, which Nielson used to love to criticize as eliciting "what people think they remember about what they think they did."
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Unknown parent • • •@goatsarah
Tables are an interesting accessibility problem. I've occasionally tried to pitch to people that at least some tables can be designed such that they make some kind of sense if they end up just getting rendered as a series of paragraphs. But it's a rare table (that should've been one in the first place) that works *well* in that format.
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colorblind cowboy ๐ทโ๐ป
Unknown parent • • •@constantine @goatsarah @h Interesting. Iโm viewing this on iOS web version.
But itโs a work in progress. Iโm excited to see itโll happen.
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Rich text? Because? Priorities, please.
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Robert Logger ๐ณ๐ฑ [Friendica]
Unknown parent • • •You can use Friendica for that( like I do). If you want to post like on Instagram, consider Pixelfed.
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Robert Logger ๐ณ๐ฑ [Friendica] • • •@Sarah Brown I've demonstrated that phenomenon here.
Worse yet, Mastodon drops the pictures behind, i.e. outside the CW if there is one. The text is hidden by the CW, the pictures aren't.
@Robert Logger 🇳🇱 [Friendica] The nice thing about Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) is that you can do lots of things on one platform. There's no need to have a microblogging account on Mastodon, an article blogging/macroblogging account on WriteFreely and a picture-blogging account on Pixelfed. Extra bonus: You also have full access to your uploaded pictures because your account/channel includes file space.
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... show more@Sarah Brown I've demonstrated that phenomenon here.
Worse yet, Mastodon drops the pictures behind, i.e. outside the CW if there is one. The text is hidden by the CW, the pictures aren't.
@Robert Logger ๐ณ๐ฑ [Friendica] The nice thing about Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) is that you can do lots of things on one platform. There's no need to have a microblogging account on Mastodon, an article blogging/macroblogging account on WriteFreely and a picture-blogging account on Pixelfed. Extra bonus: You also have full access to your uploaded pictures because your account/channel includes file space.
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in reply to AlienKnight • • •TSource Engine Query
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •nevermind, it's incoming support.
Great job mastodevs!
Sameer
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •(Stands outside window in my Sickos hoodie) Yes!
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Unknown parent • • •Helge
Unknown parent • • •I will take another shot at making a point that seems to be confusing. People using software other than Mastodon are already able to do various things. So for me this is in italics and this is in bold. I know that you cannot see it on Mastodon and the people on Friendica can.
Now, what does "incoming" mean in this context: Mastodon already get posts with italic, bold, titles, subtitles, lengths over 500 characters and so on. Mastodon will now also render certain HTML tags (as seen in the screenshot from Claire).
What does this also mean: Mastodon will still not render my math equations as they are embed using a math-jax script tag and require math-jax javascript library to be loaded.
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •It's great to see, that text formatting on the side of mastodon is being improved. I hope it will be compatible with other fedi software.
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Fuck Elon :mastodon:
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Unknown parent • • •@goatsarah Since the receiving node may not know the format or form of the content (like book review), why not it proxy & embed the content in the timeline. What will be lost?
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Jupiter Rowland
Unknown parent • • •@Sarah Brown @m@thias.hellqui.st @FeralRobots @Emperor Palpapeen @Robert Logger 🇳🇱 [Friendica] Yep, Mastodon is currently stripping all formatting tags of all posts, only leaving links in. This is what's planned to be stopped.
Hubzilla and (streams) users have the same problem as Friendica users, also because Mastodon mangles their posts even further. You can see in this thread how it handles pictures (if you can see the pictures, but that's another issue).
... show more@Sarah Brown @m@thias.hellqui.st @FeralRobots @Emperor Palpapeen @Robert Logger ๐ณ๐ฑ [Friendica] Yep, Mastodon is currently stripping all formatting tags of all posts, only leaving links in. This is what's planned to be stopped.
Hubzilla and (streams) users have the same problem as Friendica users, also because Mastodon mangles their posts even further. You can see in this thread how it handles pictures (if you can see the pictures, but that's another issue).
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lunchy
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to lunchy • • •@lunchy @Chris Trottier @Fediverse News It was composed with Markdown on a test instance. But ActivityPub transmits it as Rich Text.
And Markdown composition will stay limited to test instances and projects outside Mastodon that use Markdown for text formatting. It won't be generally rolled out to all Mastodon instances.
In other words, you'll be able to see text formatting, but you won't be able to format text yourself.
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in reply to CarlRJ • • •CarlRJ
in reply to sukima :verified: • • •@sukima @quephird we have 95 printable characters in the ASCII set, give or take, which isnโt too hard to work out on a 100ish key keyboard. What would make a better direct input solution for any of the tens of thousands of Unicode characters? Adding keys doesnโt scale.
We have an enormous number of symbols that it is good to be able to uniquely record in computers, but only a few handfuls we really need day-in/day-out. But Iโm interested in alternate input solutions.
sukima :verified:
in reply to CarlRJ • • •CarlRJ
in reply to sukima :verified: • • •@sukima @quephird but Markdown is not the solution to a typography problem, itโs the solution to a semantic problem - you want to indicate that โขthese wordsโข are being emphasized, not that those individual letters are each being emphasized. There โขisโข a difference, which, as mentioned, gets highlighted by thins like screen readers and programs reading text.
Markdown is not a great solution, but itโs a good solution to use while seeking a better one.
sukima :verified:
in reply to CarlRJ • • •CarlRJ
in reply to sukima :verified: • • •@sukima @quephird (1) using โข around words for emphasis is not a standard, and, just like using individuallly underlined letters, cannot be easily understood by software. Markdown can - simply because of widespread adoption, itโs a standard of sorts.
(2) 50 years since what? Computers have been around far longer, Markdown โขfarโข less long.
MikeK
in reply to CarlRJ • • •@carlrj @sukima @quephird
Is it just me who uses <em>text</em>?
Oh, it is. Sorry
CarlRJ
in reply to MikeK • • •MikeK
in reply to CarlRJ • • •@carlrj @sukima @quephird
I think HTML needs a <joke>tag</joke>
CarlRJ
in reply to MikeK • • •Kevin Davidson
in reply to CarlRJ • • •@carlrj @sukima @quephird Iโm still salty because I thought weโd decided long ago that surrounding text with asterisks meant BOLD. But Markdown breaks that by treating it as EMPHASIS, which usually gets shown as ITALICS. As everyone knows, italics should be represented by surrounding the text with //.
#xkcd927 xkcd.com/927/
Standards
xkcdCarlRJ
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •Fรกbio Costa ๐๐๐ฉโ
in reply to CarlRJ • • •Kevin Davidson
in reply to CarlRJ • • •@carlrj @sukima @quephird Again, leading and trailing underscores mean UNDERLINE*. I was so angry when I first heard about Markdown (from peopleโs glowing reports about how wonderful, simple and obvious it was). Just took existing conventions and scrambled them up for no reason.
* of course if you really wanted to underline ironically youโd follow each individual character with the ^H_ sequence.
CarlRJ
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •@MetalSamurai @sukima @quephird itโs a shame that your fork of the Markdown code to change it to what you believe is the proper syntax, never caught on.
It wasnโt some big committee that โgot it wrongโ, it was a guy, who did it for his own use, so he could write blog posts as plain text, and it caught on.
You can write your own and attempt to win Markdown users over to your side, but itโs an uphill battle. Common usage often wins over โbetterโ (see QWERTY vs Dvorak).
Kevin Davidson
in reply to CarlRJ • • •sukima :verified:
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in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •AlisonW โฟ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
in reply to CarlRJ • • •I've been sending messages online since mid-70s. Only ever saw/used back then
*big emphasis* (cf Bold)
_lesser emphasis_ (cf Underline)
Slashes? Nope.
Kevin Davidson
in reply to AlisonW โฟ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ • • •@AlisonW @carlrj @sukima @quephird You predate me. I only discovered Usenet in the late 80s. I definitely did not imagine this.
Itโs mentioned in this document.
meatballwiki.org/wiki/Emphasisโฆ
sukima :verified:
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •AlisonW โฟ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
in reply to sukima :verified: • • •Ooh, yes, why did we stop using <g>?
;-p
Kevin Davidson
in reply to sukima :verified: • • •@sukima @AlisonW @carlrj @quephird Itโs disappointing that nearly 40 years later we are no better at presenting meaningful styled text.
On the other hand itโs entirely on brand for a discussion mentioning Usenet to go wildly off topic. All thatโs left is for us to divide up into Emacs vs Vi and then declare if we are for or against Heinlein.
AlisonW โฟ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •Um, nano and pro-uncle Bob.
CarlRJ
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •@MetalSamurai @sukima @AlisonW @quephird vi, and itโs offspring Vim, is the one true editor, at the feet of which all other editors grovel.
And whatโs left is for the thread to be Godwined by getting into a discussion of mid-last-century German political organizations.
Markup can be easy to write, easy to read, or easy for computers to work with unambiguously. Unfortunately, you only get to pick two out of the three.
Geraint
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •@MetalSamurai @sukima @AlisonW @carlrj @quephird
Emacs! (but vim for some things, particularly over ssh).
Heinlein was an excellent writer, with unexcellent political views.
And yes, markup is good. Obviously TeX/LaTeX would be the best approach.
CarlRJ
in reply to Geraint • • •Kevin Davidson
in reply to CarlRJ • • •Vi is what you were forced to use before you could get Emacs installed. Or ex on systems with broken Termcap. Yuck.
CarlRJ
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •midway
in reply to CarlRJ • • •Yeah, I was always a bit guy for those reasons: it was everywhere and it wasnโt bloated. I want to edit a file, I donโt need a full operating environment. :โ
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Kevin Davidson
in reply to CarlRJ • • •My fingers know the Emacs keybindings without having to think. And they work in tcsh/bash/zsh and eslewhere as well.
CarlRJ
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •@MetalSamurai @drgeraint @sukima @AlisonW @quephird see I no longer think about how best to get to a certain point in a file, in vi, it just comes naturally. Perhaps not the absolute most efficient way, but pretty close.
tcsh/bash/zsh support vi keybindings as well (โset -o viโ in bash). I know Emacs bindings well enough to use at the cmd line as needed (bonus, Emacs bindings work in Mac text fields).
CarlRJ
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •Kevin Davidson
in reply to Geraint • • •@drgeraint @sukima @AlisonW @carlrj @quephird Of course you can edit files remotely over ssh from inside Emacs.
I think Iโve read everything Heinlein wrote. Probably gave me some useful thinking tools to articulate why I disagreed with some of his ideas.
CarlRJ
in reply to sukima :verified: • • •@sukima @quephird the notion of adding spaces between words doesnโt go back as far as writing does. Periods, exclamation points, and question marks were added along the way. Underlining the occasional word or phrase has been a thing for hundreds of years. Bold and italics for emphasis is just a natural extension in the same line.
Thereโs a lot not to like about RichText (fonts, colors, etc.), but italics, bolding, bulleted lists, are all things that can improve text.
llewelly
in reply to CarlRJ • • •@carlrj @sukima @quephird
we just need another fifteen keys for bitplane shifting, and an optional on-screen popup to show what each key would generate with current bitplane shift combination. : )
CarlRJ
in reply to llewelly • • •llewelly
in reply to CarlRJ • • •@carlrj @sukima @quephird
er, ah, those of us with fifteen feet can, I guess, but that only works for us.
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Fantastic to see great foundational and necessary features finally coming to life!
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Kelson's Sorta Old Account
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Funny to think:
Newsgroups and early mailing lists were all plaintext, so people came up with conventions like using asterisks and underscores.
Web forums were able to display rich text, and they used markup to implement it.
Early social media like LiveJournal and such supported rich text via raw HTML
Twitter was designed to fit in an SMS message, so it was plain text.
And everyone went back to using asterisks and underscores. Plus abusing Unicode lookalike chars.
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maegul
in reply to Kelson's Sorta Old Account • • •@KelsonV I always think back to how we behave with IRL pens/pencils. If we have different colours weโll use them. Otherwise weโll underline and capitalise and draw squares and embolden.
Weโll use whatever visual components we have available so long as theyโre easy to use and โat handโ.
Edditoria :mastodon: ๆ่ฟช
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Finally!
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social
Robert Logger ๐ณ๐ฑ [Friendica]
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Emperor Palpapeen
Unknown parent • • •@jakob @jupiter_rowland @FeralRobots @goatsarah
I gave up on friendica
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Emperor Palpapeen
Unknown parent • • •@jakob @jupiter_rowland @FeralRobots @goatsarah my experience was bad. Performance issues, uploading issues, browser bogged down by it.
Maybe in a year or so I will look at it again.
Jupiter Rowland
Unknown parent • • •@Jean-Daniel, aka Sanji @Chris Trottier Same result on Hubzilla as @๐๐ฎ๐ธ๐ผ๐ฏ :๐ณ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ป๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ: ๐ฆ๐น โ has on Friendica.
Maybe your instance renders Markdown internally, but it doesn't translate it to Rich Text for other ActivityPub instances/projects.
Now I'd like to hear from someone on (streams)...
FeralRobots
in reply to Emperor Palpapeen • • •@Shrexios
I just haven't had the bandwidth to play with any of these, yet. Most are on stacks I'm not familiar with & my day job (which is 40% Wordpress & 50% keeping up with the devops stacks one needs to maintain a large org's public-facing Wordpress site) sucks up most of the brain cells I'm willing to allocate to web app experimentation right now.
I'm hoping in a yr or so they'll still be around.
@jakob @jupiter_rowland @goatsarah