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I'm worried by this story: theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/j…

Yes, Fujitsu must shoulder some blame for the faulty technology, and possibly more for being in denial. But Fujitsu did not choose to pursue the users for the "missing" money and prosecute them. There is a considerable human side to this story. We must not let the Post Office offload all the financial responsibility onto Fujitsu.

"We only acted like complete bastards because their software fucked up." won't cut it.


Fujitsu may have to repay ‘fortune’ spent on Post Office scandal, Chalk says

Justice secretary says if firm behind Horizon IT software is found culpable, ministers would seek ‘proper recompense’
Sammy Gecsoyler (The Guardian)

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in reply to Conor Mc Bride

Dave Mc
Dave Mc
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has there been reporting on the cause of the miscalculation? Was it a bug? Or a bad design decision? Or an incorrect assumption? Or did the requirements provided by the PO ask them to do it that way?

Then, who tested the system? If the PO have signed it off as being functionally correct, then doesn't that make them partially liable too?

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Alexandra Lanes
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@Dave Mc Dunno about reporting, but the technical issues and bugs are covered in the technical appendices to the High Court judgment. bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/20…
@Dave Mc
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Dave Mc
Dave Mc
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@agvbergin @ajlanes @ldodds ok, that's pretty awful. A good chunk of those failure modes should have been obvious and could have been avoided if common and well known design patterns were used.
@Alexandra Lanes @Ann 🧡 @Leigh Dodds
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Ann 🧡
Ann 🧡
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@guigsy @ajlanes To go back to OP's original point, the point is that the subpostmasters found the bugs bc of their professional practical expertise. PO should have listened to them, not gaslit and prosectured them.
@Alexandra Lanes @Dave Mc
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Dave Mc
Dave Mc
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@agvbergin @ajlanes agreed. I find it very hard to understand how factual evidence that they uncovered was ignored.
@Alexandra Lanes @Ann 🧡
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Ann 🧡
Ann 🧡
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racism, including discussion of racist language

@guigsy @ajlanes Racism and classism.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67929650


Racism affected how we were treated over Horizon, says Post Office victims

The workers say they believe racism affected the way people were treated in the Horizon scandal
By Sima Kotecha (BBC News)
@Alexandra Lanes @Dave Mc
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Colin Watson
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racism, including discussion of racist language
@agvbergin @guigsy @ajlanes Amazing chutzpah to describe something from 2008-2011 as being a "historic document", like it was written by Pepys or something.
@Alexandra Lanes @Ann 🧡 @Dave Mc
in reply to Conor Mc Bride

Lien Rag
Lien Rag
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Indeed.
The core of the problem is "the computer says so" mentality, and that's what needs to get ridden out, lest i provoke new harm to innocent people.

But it's not that easy, since this mentality is a the core of modern mediocratic belief system.

in reply to Conor Mc Bride

Walrus 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
Walrus 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
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Fujitsu knowingly delivered faulty software, and lied about it working. The money we paid them should be returned, and all their current contracts be cancelled, with money back from those too.

Why, yes, I do know someone who knows what Fujitsu are like...

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