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in reply to Sarah Brown

Heartbreaking to read. I was in a similar boat but about a decade behind you. My earlier relationship didn't last because she said she wasn't a lesbian. I lost everything to be 'me', got a GRC, had GRS, and now it's all invalid and I'm now liable to be breaking the law if I try to continue being me.

It's testing my mental health for sure.

in reply to Sarah Brown

Completely unnecessary to take people through all that. Sounds more like a government that just canโ€™t get its shit together.
in reply to kianryan โ˜‘๏ธ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ

@kianryan โ˜‘๏ธ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ The UK Supreme Court decided that women like me had always actually been men.

A number of members of the government, who themselves had voted for the 2004 law that requires me to live as female, agreed with it, presumably because they have some sort of memory lapse.

in reply to Sarah Brown

Understood. I had to reread a few times.

You have every right to be upset.

Am I right in understanding that the April decision has no (current) implication on your 2013 marriage?

Given the current state, that might be the smallest (albeit significant) of graces.

This is very much in politicians court to fix, and the lack of appetite (or the appetite to do the opposite) is heart breaking.

in reply to Sarah Brown

The moment narrow-minded people gain power, they use it to make life difficult for others. It's the same sh... everywhere. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ :rainbow_heart:
in reply to Sarah Brown

Iโ€™m so sorry.

What did happen for the State to no longer recognize your sex change? Did the law in the UK get modified?

in reply to Sylvhem

@Sylvhem Oh yes. hrw.org/news/2025/05/09/uk-couโ€ฆ
in reply to Ryan

@ryanroberts Oh. I didnโ€™t realize that would make legaly transitioning impossible.
@Ryan
in reply to Sylvhem

@Sylvhem I donโ€™t think it makes it impossible but a it is a major step backwards and makes life incredibly difficult. But Iโ€™m not transgender so Iโ€™ll leave it at that for someone better informedโ€ฆ
in reply to Sylvhem

@Sylvhem
Yes. Overruled the existing law that gender certification had to be respected - only 'biology' (but they didn't define it) could be.

bbc.com/news/live/cvgq9ejql39t

in reply to Crissa Kentavr

@Crissa I knew about that but didnโ€™t realize it meant you couldnโ€™t change your sex in the UK. I thought it โ€œonlyโ€ meant you couldnโ€™t benefit from gender-based affimative action ๐Ÿ˜ฉ.
This is utterly depressing.

@goatsarah

in reply to Sylvhem

@Sylvhem
It doesn't mean you can't, it just means they've decided to ignore it and create a completely nonsensical setting in which they allow it and then ignore their own rules.

It forces any trans, intersex, persons from any 'single sex' spaces, and forces them to endure cross-sex harassment at the hands of medical and police. While also advancing and legitimizing harassment of any gender-nonconforming people.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I had no idea of the hurdles and constantly shifting goalposts.

To add insult there is no definition of biological sex in law for one very good reason.. There is no definition of sex that holds true in all circumstances in biology.

I'm sure that you have become very familiar with this. For those who would like to know more about biological ambiguity this is a useful overview with a fun quiz at the end.

daily-twerk.com/science/uk-supโ€ฆ

in reply to Sarah Brown

in reply to Jessica Smith

@Jessica Smith And re the law, we can be terrorised by police forces simply by someone complaining that we had some level of intimacy with them, and then have the threat of forced detransition and repeated "corrective" rape in the prison system held over us.

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in reply to Jessica Smith

@mintopia The immediate thing is that puberty blockers MUST get into the hands of trans kids, by hook or by crook. Thats the only ethical response.
in reply to Sarah Brown

FFS, these confused pennpushers need to get a grip. Being trans, marrying who you love etc, all โ€œby the bookโ€, who is it hurting? No one!
in reply to Looking for explanationsโ€ฆ

@Looking for explanationsโ€ฆ They're not confused. Not at all. Hanlon's razor is a useful guideline, but in this case it does not apply.

This is quite deliberate.

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in reply to Sarah Brown

It is 100% deliberate and not 'incompetence'.

The anti-trans agenda of the current UK government is being driven by that narcissistic war-criminal Blair for 2 reasons:

1:
The UK government (which is run by the Tony Blair Institute) is in cahoots with Trump and the Heritage Foundation.

2:
This is Blair's revenge for losing the 2002 case in the ECtHR 'Goodwin V the UK'.
The outcome of this case resulted in the UK being made to introduce the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
Blair and Mandelson fought it tooth and nail.
Now the UK government are undermining and dismantling it.

@goatsarah

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in reply to Sue Briccay

@essjayjay @Susan60 That's horrible. Thanks for sharing these experiences. It's all new to me since I'm in the US, but I found a write-up about another person's trouble getting recognition for their marriage, and the basic attitude of the law is infuriating. They seem more concerned about enforcing obsolete bureaucratic rules than in helping people get on with their lives under the current understanding of how things should work. It sounds like the law is focused on controlling people rather than ordering society for the good of its members.
stowefamilylaw.co.uk/stowe-supโ€ฆ
in reply to Sarah Brown

WTF. ๐Ÿซ‚ Do you consider leaving the UK? There must still be places in the world where being you is just okay - as it is.
Edit: sorry, read your bio after I wrote that.
Great, you're here. ๐Ÿ˜€
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in reply to Dodo

@Dodo I have left, but in order to get citizenship in my new country, the UK needs to cooperate in providing the relevant documents.

And it's not clear that it's going to do that.

@Dodo
in reply to Sarah Brown

oh shit. Valid passport is not enough for P? OK, I see, you're not EU anymore... Oh dear, hope you find a way with the Portuguese to accept what you have.
in reply to Dodo

@Dodo_sipping For citizenship, it never is as easy as for a residence - it will be a long road.

I checked into the rules for Portugal, you'll need your passport, a birth certificate and a criminal record background check. The background check might be the problem. Everything else you should be able to get from the Portuguese authorities.

And, of course, learn to speak Portuguese. They only require A2, that's pretty basic (Germany requires B1, for example).

portugalcitizenship.org/documeโ€ฆ

@Dodo
in reply to GunChleoc

@gunchleoc@mastodon.scothelpful, thanks. I guess residence is really easier. Job or pension, 12mth rent contract or own home (best) are the basics as far as I know. @goatsarah
in reply to Sarah Brown

@Dodo_sipping That bureaucratic detail about leaving the country might be worth adding to the original post.
From "be gay, do crimes" to "being trans is a crime." Just awful! My sympathy, truly.
@Dodo
in reply to Sarah Brown

1. holy shit
2. big internet hugs from a random
3. that's one solid relationship, you both found your person
4. holy shit, still ๐Ÿ™
in reply to Sarah Brown

this government is a cruel antagonist in our lives, it works against us, it spites us rather than lose face. ๐Ÿ˜ก

You deserve so much better

in reply to Sarah Brown

Thank you for sharing this story. It makes me sick, the willingness of some judges who have been trained all their lives to uphold the law, to kowtow to a loud and spoilt special interest group and turn the obnoxious gaze of the state against you. You and your wife deserve better.

The recent rulings are the shame of the Common Law. May they soon be reversed, and all the obnoxious goblins behind it return to anonymity and poverty where they belong.

in reply to Sarah Brown

wow. Theyโ€™re making your lives hard because they can. Thank you for sharing.
in reply to Sarah Brown

A lawsuit will be appropriate in your case โ€ฆ and yes you have every reason to be upset.
in reply to Sarah Brown

As we so often say here, the cruelty is the point ๐Ÿ™
in reply to Sarah Brown

Thank you for writing all of this out. I was... vaguely aware of the various injustices and yet, somehow, never thought about how they would apply over a single person over a single lifetime.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Every single one of my female trans friends here in Britain is dealing with mental health issues. The constant battle and abuse just to exist. One of my friends once turned up, sat down next to me, and just cried her eyes out, saying "I'm just a gay man in a dress."

Why? Because two beer bellied football shirt wearing type blokes had just been screaming that at her in the street. So, I spent the next three months messaging her every week to remind her that she is a beautiful and super awesome woman.

I understand that it's a raindrop in a whole sea of shit. But this small thing, coming from a straight man, did make a difference. There is support from non-trans people, but it just isn't loud enough. Especially when a lot of it is out of sight for most people. They just don't know what you, and people like you, go through.

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in reply to Sarah Brown

This would be hilarious if, you know, it wasn't so absolutely fucking horrific!
in reply to Sarah Brown

Yeah, I can confirm that I would also be upset, if not mad as hell, if that shit had happened to me
in reply to Sarah Brown

Politicians and judges are full of shit.

I still hope, you and Sylvia can still be happy despite everything you have to endure.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I'm so sorry you are going through this. Thank you for writing so eloquently about it
in reply to Sarah Brown

I'm really sorry this has happened and is happening. It serves no purpose and is for no-one's benefit, it's just cruel.
in reply to Sarah Brown

the situation in the UK stinks.

I'm in New Zealand where the anti trans movement has invaded our Parliament too. They're trying to push through a bathroom bill and are in the process of removing gender identity education from schools.

Fortunately when our more inclusive MPs managed to get civil union legislation upgraded to marriage equality, the legislation was carefully constructed to be nongendered. Any two adults (except close family) can marry each other. That marriage is still valid if one or both of them transition legal gender recognition.

You have my deepest sympathy for the idiocy and cruelty of your government. ๐Ÿค—

in reply to Sarah Brown

I live America (unfortunately). I decided pretty early on to ignore anything having to do with legal permission and make my own way on my own terms. What they can give, they can also take away. And they love taking things away.

I'm glad you've been in a happy marriage this whole time. ๐Ÿ˜€

in reply to Sarah Brown

I just read your post on my feed and Iโ€™ve got no words for what youโ€™ve experienced ๐Ÿซ‚
in reply to Sarah Brown

VatandaลŸฤฑ olduฤŸum รผlke (Tรผrkiye) dahil birรงok รผlkede BirleลŸik Krallฤฑk "geliลŸmiลŸ" bir รผlke kabul ediliyor.

Bence hiรงbir "geliลŸmiลŸ" รผlke, vatandaลŸlarฤฑnฤฑn penisleriyle, vajinalarฤฑyla, cinsel yรถnelimleriyle, hatta kendilerini tanฤฑmladฤฑklarฤฑ ve ลŸiddet iรงermeyen diฤŸer tรผm ลŸeylerle uฤŸraลŸmaz, vatandaลŸlarฤฑnฤฑ bu sebeplerle hฤฑrpalamaz, vatandaลŸlarฤฑnฤฑn bu hususlardaki isteklerini kolaylฤฑkla ve harfiyen yerine getirir, vatandaลŸla arasฤฑndaki iliลŸkiyi toxic bir hale getirmez.

in reply to Sarah Brown

fuuuuuckin hell

I have a new understanding of what a massive pile of bullshit this is.

Sorry you have to deal with it.

in reply to Sarah Brown

"Shit show" doesn't even begin to describe it. So sorry you have to endure this. Sending virtual hugs if you'd like some.
in reply to Sarah Brown

It's truly awful. And here in the U.S., the validity of my marriage and gender identity depend on which state I'm living in - or even visiting, in case I want to use a restroom at some point.
in reply to Sarah Brown

in reply to Sarah Brown

how cruel. I don't understand why it's the business of the State once marriage between two unrelated adults is legal.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Our government needs to remember that everyone is human.

And Iโ€™m so sorry that you and so many people have to endure this. Sending huge support from my little corner of the UK.

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in reply to Sarah Brown

"The law of the land simultaneously requires me to be both a man and a woman and if I do either then I am breaking the law and subject to arrest."

Their hate is forcing you into hermaphroditism, which is one of the ultimate achievements in the quest for spiritual enlightenment. Thus is the state of all angels.

I'm sorry you are going through this. They are horrid creatures.

in reply to Sarah Brown

this is a very clear explanation; it reminds me of the piece that Philosophy Tube published on the madness of trying to play by the the rules as a trans person.

Thank you for sharing your story.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I mean, you had me at this:

"In 2005 I started medical transition. For the state to recognise this I had to submit to standards of "care" which were humiliating, degrading and which placed me at risk of violence."

in reply to Sarah Brown

Nazi's. They want to eradicate us all, just like last time.

I am so sorry this is happening in UK.
I hope it can be correcred soon and those responsible ejected from life.

We (in Finland) have similar people in power who would love to follow on these steps. They just attacked the social security, schooling, and immigration first instead.

Stay safe. โค

in reply to Sarah Brown

whew...I didn't/couldn't read the whole post before thinking that this is straight up #Camus #dystopia #bs. Respect for your perseverance.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Madness. Although I'd take that as an opportunity to be able to marry the person you love multiple times and relive the happiest day over and over ;)

Still maddening given how undecided and self-contradictory the gov is over the years. Stay strong and all the best!

in reply to Sarah Brown

Seriously everyone needs to read this!

At GoatSarah: I am sorry the state treated you and your wife this way!!

#TransRighraAreHumanRights๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ

in reply to Sarah Brown

That sounds like a minefield. Doesn't matter what you decide to do, sooner or later you step on one and boom, it blows up in your face.

I absolutely appreciate why you are upset. Everyone wold be.

And I want to point out what a wonderful wife and partner Sylvia is. Even without knowing her, she has to be, she is right at your side through all this journey. Right at your side there, in that minefield.

in reply to Momo

Okay, I had an hour and a half of sleep and the migraine meds finally start to kick in. Now, when I read this again it sounds like a thread and I'm sorry, I didn't want it to sound like a thread... ๐Ÿ˜…
in reply to Sarah Brown

virtual hugs to you and every person going through this. You are loved. You matter. We defend you as best as we can. :blobtrans: :blob_rainbowheart: ๐Ÿ’ช
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in reply to Sarah Brown

I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

Have you considered moving somewhere sane/healthy, such as to the Continent?

in reply to Sarah Brown

Thank you for sharing this to clue in more people to what is going on. The utter arrogance of these willfully ignorant bigots who want to control other people and tell them they donโ€™t know who they are. Stay strong & proud, you have allies around the world.
in reply to Sarah Brown

See it as this, Your mere existence endangers the law. You are that powerful.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Appalling. Hope support from this straight male with 3 daughters and two step-daughters is of some small comfort for the depravity of the UK legal system.
Whatever happened to the legal principle that you could do anything except frighten the horses?
Admire your strength!
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in reply to Sarah Brown

I have trouble trying to read something like this and trying to understand where the real problem is.

It is doubtful of some messiah somewhere though persistent disrespect of the female gender does not seem indefinitely tolerable.

I am currently confronting a place that seemed likely refuge from insanity losing much of its character and more specific places where real people live as best as recognized myself being actively threatened.

Can these conflicts withstand real scrutiny?

in reply to uxcn

Please do not mistake my real and overall concern.
in reply to Sarah Brown

I'm so angry with our "systems". I stand with you, for whatever it's worth.
in reply to Sarah Brown

I think British Values are on the school curriculum now. I assume barefaced betrayal and holding peoples lives and bodies in the balance recklessly are on the list.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Good grief!
If us cis-het folk had to jump through any of those hoops just to live our lives, the government would be forced out, but some people appear to think that trans folk are valid targets for this sort of abuse.
I wish we could just let people get on with their lives, let them love who they love, and live as their authentic selves.
And get rid of these red Tories!
in reply to Sarah Brown

As a trans woman now living in Sweden I can only sympathise with the plight of the trans community in the UK.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if the supreme court made that decision to keep in with Trump and get reduced Tariffs.

Fuck all those damn politicians....

in reply to Sammi

@SamanthaJaneSmith

And now all trans people are, by state dictat, Schroedinger's Fucking Gender.

If I had the ability I would drop the entire bunch of government shits ditched into a black hole ๐Ÿคฌ

@goatsarah

in reply to Sammi

@SamanthaJaneSmith

... having them being stretched to infinity for an entire eternity beyond the event horizon would be the closest thing to an eternal living hell there is in this universe!

@goatsarah

in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift

@alexadeswift I just want them to suffer the way they have made trans people, immigrants, disabled people and mothers and children in Gaza suffer (to name just a few groups)
in reply to Sammi

By the Law of Threefold Return, may they reap what they sow.

So Mote It Be! ๐ŸŒ’๐ŸŒ•๐ŸŒ˜

@goatsarah

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in reply to Sarah Brown

Thank you for putting it clearly. It's a mindboggling horror, and I'm convinced that most people have no idea and no understanding of it. I can't even discuss the nonsense some people have been saying because I can't be polite about it (and I'm aware that shrieking at them won't help).

I can only hope that this dark storm, which has been circling for decades, breaks soon and is followed by clarity.

Courage!

in reply to Sarah Brown

Why the gender part? Like, why not a marriage between two people. Why specifically between a man and a woman or a woman and a woman or a man and a man?

Genuinely, if I were pm Iโ€™d just scrap gender from the law entirely. Itโ€™s unnecessary, a lot of unnecessary work, and just leads to discriminationโ€ฆ

Just donโ€™t use gender in legal documents ๐Ÿคท

Sex is for medical documents and gender is for social life.

in reply to That One Walnut

They did, eventually. (well, sort of) Now any couple of age can be civil partners or married, by choice. The idiocy started with the introduction of same sex only civil partnerships, that was changed later. It was always a stupid restriction that was going to lead to problems.
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in reply to Sarah Brown

the part where you said you'd be breaking the law if you ever detransitioned actually almost made me drop my phone. And I thought the United States was bad.
in reply to Sarah Brown

This is so horrible! And all just becauseโ€ฆ I donโ€™t even know what itโ€™s because! Perhaps because political power that refuses to work for the good of the majority needs to harass a minority to stay in power?
in reply to Sarah Brown

what a fuck up this laws are?!
Im sending a hug. Thank you for sharing your story
in reply to Sarah Brown

๐Ÿ˜ณ

I've always thought that legislation never was made retroactive? This is absolutely horrible. So sorry to hear you find yourself harrassed by the state after harming absolutely nobody.

in reply to Tormod

@airwhale Only #facists apply law retroactively against people & toctheir disadvantage...
in reply to Sarah Brown

When are you guys gonna get your shit together and pull another gunpowder plot
in reply to Sarah Brown

Thank you for sharing this; as someone from the โ€œoutside looking inโ€ I appreciate your bravery in sharing your story.
in reply to Sarah Brown

What the ever loving fuck.

I really fucking wish we could just leave people the fuck alone and let people love their lives how they want.

It's so far beyond complete and utter nonsense, as you say, degrading and humiliating.

I'm sorry that you and every other LGBTQ+ person must deal with all of this insanity from small minded bigoted assholes that can't mind their own damn business.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I'm so sorry you have had to go through all that just to be yourself. It's so fucked up.
in reply to Sarah Brown

This is absolutely heartbreaking. I'm so sorry for you and anyone else going through this. I wish all of you the best of luck.
in reply to Sarah Brown

This is a terrible story and I am truly very sorry for you. Please stay strong, you and your wife. My heart is with you ๐Ÿ™
in reply to Sarah Brown

@fen This all sounds like a form of psychological torture. ๐Ÿ™ Thank-you so much for sharing your story to make these issues more concrete and understandable for people.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Flee. I recommend Canada, but I live there and may be biased (๐Ÿ˜€)
in reply to Sarah Brown

holy smokes and I thought the bathroom bills in some conservative states were bad.

(Thoughts on those: never owned a pistol but in those states (laws allowing) I'd open carry, use the bathroom the law demanded and challenge anyone to say anything about it. But that may just be white male privilege talking.)

in reply to Sarah Brown

Just wow. The cruelty trans people are forced to suffer never ceases to amaze me.

It's dystopian to have the state decide who you are and who you can love.

in reply to Sarah Brown

@StaceyCornelius I knew it was bad in the UK but I didn't understand how bad it was. That story chills and horrifies me. Sending solidarity from across the ocean to you and Sylvia. โœŠ
in reply to Sarah Brown

I wouldn't just be angry. I'd be furious. I don't fully understand the mechanism, but it seems that no matter what we do, we end up being decided by mentally ill people with zero self-reflection and no conscience.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Stupid. And cruel.

And do they define 'live as female'? What does that mean - Wear a dress daily?

in reply to Sarah Brown

I bet you feel like beating someone with โ€˜the bookโ€™
in reply to Sarah Brown

put the person responsible on a big stick, put some firewood underneath, oil and lit.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Fuuuuuuuuuuuu.....!! This is just.. wow... I am lost for words and I cannot believe this kind of BS is still happening in a "modern" country. What an absolute and utter disaster... I am so sorry that you and so many others are in this situation. I hope you are okay and I sincerely hope that the situation improves.
in reply to Sarah Brown

a government that treats anyone like this doesn't deserve to exist
in reply to Sarah Brown

that sucks. The good news is, if thereโ€™s no way for you to live within the law, then youโ€™re by definition *outside* the law, which is badass! Time to go on a spree of some sort ๐Ÿ˜ˆ
in reply to Sarah Brown

I have no words for how horrible this is, but you are beautiful.
in reply to Sarah Brown

๐Ÿข๐Ÿข๐Ÿข๐Ÿข๐Ÿข

(I have no words, so here are some solidarity turtles.)

in reply to Sarah Brown

The objective is to dehumanize and leave people stateless. This is a feature, not a bug. In the end, they won't win.
in reply to Sarah Brown

the UK has gone completely mental lately. First Brexit, then the trans rights retrogradation and the whole Palestine-go-to-prison thing... What. The. Fuck! ๐Ÿ˜ž

I wish you the best of luck getting your papers from these assholes so you never have to see them again ๐Ÿ˜’

in reply to Sarah Brown

"Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of government."
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