So my real fear if the Tories die (and to be clear, they absolutely need to) is that the uk media will fucking gleefully embrace Farageist fascism as the defacto legitimate heir.
After 97 it was clear that their drifting rightward had been rejected. Now it very much is not. The instincts of the post 97 Tories was to try and persuade the electorate that they had learned to stop being abject cunts.
The reaction of the British right this time is going to be to dial up the cuntery, and the media will entirely uncritically embrace it, because they think it makes good telly.
Unless the sentiment on the ground shifts back to a rehabilitation of social democracy in the next decade, this means that the UK basically gets a 10 year reprieve, and then when the grey Starmer regime runs out of steam after being fucking useless for a decade, you get full-on V for Vendetta.
We are already seeing the start of this in the US: a proto fascism regime was defeated 4 years ago by an opposition made up of people who clearly wanted to be civil servants rubber stamping stuff, and not actual politicians.
And now the US stands at the cusp of finding out that Trump Series 1 was just the dress rehearsal.
UK: this is your future.
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Sarah Brown
Unknown parent • •@Colman Reilly People who run countries as if they’re civil servants often do an excellent job.
The issue is that they tend to be practically willing prey animals to an opposition which just wants to smash shit up, because they don’t/won’t/can’t fight fire with fire.
Simon Waldman
in reply to Sarah Brown • • •this was my fear during much of May's rule : that if the tory Party shattered, one of the shards would be Norsefire. You're right, I think, that this is another route to the same.
Actually, the key to Labour getting much done may turn out to be whether they can wrench the Overton window back a bit. This is just another reason why that's important...
Sarah Brown
in reply to Simon Waldman • •@Simon Waldman My fear with Labour is that they don’t want to. We see both with them and the US Democrats that they simply accept the clear and obvious deliberate sabotage to democracy and civil society that the other side do as legitimate and do nothing to undo it when they have the opportunity.
I hope I am wrong.
Simon Waldman
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Unknown parent • •@Colman Reilly The Trump regime deliberately and systematically stacked the US legal system, all the way up to the Supreme Court, to deliberately sabotage any and all attempts to hold them to account.
It doesn’t matter whether the press would or would not cover any undoing of this, because the Biden regime has clearly just accepted this state of affairs and the constraints it places upon them.
The guy did an insurrection. Not only is he running around free three and a half years later, he’s about to get re-elected.
This is the exact same shit that the Weimar Republic did with Hitler (actually, it’s worse; Hitler actually did jail time, just not what was warranted). They never fucking learn.
Sarah Brown
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Sarah Brown
in reply to BashStKid • •@BashStKid yeah. That’s what I think too.
And eventually, not in five years, maybe not in ten, but eventually they become the government.
I’m feeling like this is another Cassandra moment.
BashStKid
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Such a reverse takeover would also get them over the fptp lose-your-deposit hurdle, one more step to normalising them. It also allows them to drop any inconvenient history “that was the other guys” while claiming any positive-for-them Tory legacy as their own.
Tldr, Farage and Tice, political ichneumon wasps.
Sarah Brown
Unknown parent • •@Colman Reilly Trump, the man who tried to stage a coup, is probably going to win anyway.
That he’s even in a position to be able to do that means that “the thing” doesn’t exist, and possibly never did.
Fuck the media. Do the right bloody thing.
It reminds me of Gordon Brown in 2010 when he kowtowed to the media and rowed back on the Mrs Duffy thing.
He was going to lose anyway. He bloody WANTED to lose. The absolute bare minimum he should have done given he had the platform is say, “the things she said are bigoted. People should be ashamed to say things like that. It’s not right, and I’m not sorry”.
Because someone needs to be saying that shit.
Sarah Brown
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