LBC presenter says the quiet part out loud. [Youtube short]
“Where are trans women supposed to go then?”
“I don’t know, that’s for them to work out”
youtube.com/watch?v=xMoTD9rAng…
'Where are trans women supposed to go?'
Caller Liam and Shelagh Fogarty disagree on the boundaries of sex and gender when discussing women-only spaces. #lbc #shelaghfogarty #gender #trans #women #b...YouTube
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Sarah Brown
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • •@Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ since this bullshit started, I have basically started ensuring I piss in as many female toilets as I can while I’m in the UK. Make a point of it. It’s doing wonders for my hydration.
They can get to fuck. All of them.
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Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
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Alexa Devreux-Swift
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •@goatsarah so, we can either:
Obey the non statutory "guidance" and just allow ourselves to become dehydrated in order to not offend the sensibilities of a minute fraction of the pearl clutching population
Or tell them all to fuck right off and use bogs as we always have, going back decades irrespective of what the law may or may not have said.
Seeing as there never HAVE been any laws stating who can and cannot use whatever facilities, I would abso fucking lutely choose the latter over making myself ill any day of the week.
Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift • • •Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •Alexa Devreux-Swift
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •@goatsarah I have long said that the issue with transphobia is absolutely not a trans issue, but a cis issue, and it is for cisgender people to get a grip with. It only becomes a trans issue in the somewhat narrow aspect of hatred being directed at us as a result of that hatred.
Insofar as the law is concerned you are absolutely correct, and it is already impacting businesses and service providers it would seem, and of course they are taking the least cost option, which generally speaking seems to be maintaining the status quo, maybe with a view to providing unisex facilities in the future, universally.
Fortunately for me I live in Germany now, so my rights and legal status is entirely defined by German law on a day to day basis, although that doesn't stop me being impacted by what is happening in the UK, and in that I hope that there is no change to gender markings in passports!
As for the GRC, that is beyond needing reform as it is not (assuming i
... show more@goatsarah I have long said that the issue with transphobia is absolutely not a trans issue, but a cis issue, and it is for cisgender people to get a grip with. It only becomes a trans issue in the somewhat narrow aspect of hatred being directed at us as a result of that hatred.
Insofar as the law is concerned you are absolutely correct, and it is already impacting businesses and service providers it would seem, and of course they are taking the least cost option, which generally speaking seems to be maintaining the status quo, maybe with a view to providing unisex facilities in the future, universally.
Fortunately for me I live in Germany now, so my rights and legal status is entirely defined by German law on a day to day basis, although that doesn't stop me being impacted by what is happening in the UK, and in that I hope that there is no change to gender markings in passports!
As for the GRC, that is beyond needing reform as it is not (assuming it ever was, which I sincerely doubt) fit for purpose, and significantly infringes upon individual dignity not least with the UK State keeping a list of ever GRC issued, which I have never been particularly clear as to why that is kept, how it is kept and privacy maintained, and what protections exist to maintain dignity and ensure that it cannot be used by state actors for nefarious purposes. Under the current right wing extremist administration I absolutely do not trust them to have my name on such a list.
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Christine M.
in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift • • •Especially @alexadeswift : Here from Germany, too. I follow the development in the UK closely because there is a global trend visible here and because I use to travel to UK frequently - so there is a bit of concern.
Also: The new German government has promised to have an "evaluation" of current trans law here (SBGG, AGG) next year. We can expect some restrictions re: current status and the "trans list" issue to come up again. So, learn from UK.
Alexa Devreux-Swift
in reply to Christine M. • • •@kiwi2002 @goatsarah yes, the Union led Coalition, with it's desire to "evaluate" the SBGG is a concern, especially considering that they were always opposed to it irrespective of the Constitutional Courts declaring the old TSG as unconstitutional.
All we can hope is that the SPD junior partner, along with other left wing progressive parties in the Bundestag, can keep Merz, Söder & Co in check, at least until such a time as another progressive coalition can be voted into power.
Christine M.
in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift • • •@alexadeswift @goatsarah
Yes, let's hope. Although my trust into centre-left SPD is not too high, unfortunately. Their enthusiasm for the SBGG was, shall we say, controlled, and the evaluation promise is part of the coalition agreement with the Union, so there is a level of agreement about doing this with a special focus on "protecting women" (Where have we heard that before? Who's pushing that slogan?) and children. It's so f*ing familiar. Hence > UK.
Alexa Devreux-Swift
in reply to Christine M. • • •@kiwi2002 @goatsarah indeed, and I have a terrible feeling that they will use what is happening in the UK a la Cass and UK Supreme Court to justify removing trans rights.
The shocking thing is, and every lawmaker SHOULD know this, that rights are absolutely not a zero sum game. They are not cake, and giving more rights to one group does not mean taking rights from another.
It is as if these lawmakers have walked around Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Auswitz et al during the recent commemorations and learned absolutely nothing.
Christine M.
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@alexadeswift @goatsarah
The rhetoric is bad. The understanding of the issues at hand is bad. The lobby is insufficient or downright ignored (see support during SBGG debate by women's voices!). The pandering to the AfD and their messaging is atrocious.
We have to deal with: Strict father morality. "We make politics for normal people now." (Duh.) Politicians with a past in these issues, some in ministerial positions now. Destructive documents from abroad (Cass etc.).
Alexa Devreux-Swift
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@kiwi2002 @goatsarah yes, and not only do they deliberately misunderstand the issues, but they also wittingly keep trans folks out of these so-called 'debates' and instead platform known hate groups and people.
The hate is the point.
Christine M.
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@alexadeswift @goatsarah
So - prepping for what lies ahead is becoming essential.
Alexa Devreux-Swift
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@kiwi2002 @goatsarah very much so. If Söder gets his way, trans rights won't go down the toilet in Bayern alone, but right across Germany.
The man is a monster.
Sue Briccay
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •You are spot on.
However, it completely (and I'm sure, deliberately) muddies the waters and encourages 'scope creep' of the 'guidance' when complete rissoles like McFadden and Phillipson start pontificating to the media and press that 'trans women must use male toilets'.
It's going to be used as another wedge to further remove trans rights IMO.
@goatsarah @alexadeswift
Alexa Devreux-Swift
in reply to Sue Briccay • • •@essjayjay @goatsarah ah, but there is more:
Trans women must use mens toilets because we are biological men. Except when we don't look like men, then we must NOT use mens toilets. But because we are not biological women, those trans women who look like women, must not use women's toilets.
Such mind buggeringly idiotic doublethink simply does not deserve any kind of consideration.
Beth Welsh
in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift • • •Angela Scholder
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •I wouldn't expect an a-hole there, but that micht be because I only link it with one presenter.
Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
in reply to Angela Scholder • • •Angela Scholder
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •So, for the rest they just suck.
Indeed only familiar with him.
Who was this woman who clearly thinks that women who don't adhere to gender binary visual expectations should be denied going to the ladies?
Rhedyn Thain 🏳️⚧️🤡🛹🏳️🌈
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖ • • •I’ll keep using the women’s toilets.
Just in case those bum rags can’t get it through their skulls that’s me working it out myself.