A number of news outlets are reporting the line that the Supreme Court decision may mean that trans women may be excluded from single sex spaces IF PROPORTIONATE but I've not seen a single one explain that (a) that's not the thing that's changed (the change is that it could be applied to people who have GRCs) but, more importantly, they're not explaining that "proportionate" has a specific meaning in law. It means you have to have a legitimate reason and it can't be a blanket exclusion...
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in reply to Christine Burns MBE π³οΈββ§οΈπβ§ • • •Case in point, this piece by the the BBC:
Trans people will feel anxious over gender ruling - Swinney bbc.com/news/articles/c74nx8lkβ¦
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It's going to cause grief for any woman a dodgy copper decides to feel up too.
"No m'lud, it's a high-risk area for drugs and I swear I thought I saw the woman make an exchange and she looked like a man to me, so I think I was entirely justified in strip-searching her myself don't you?"
*gives secret Mason hand-signal and walks away free*
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in reply to Jo • • •@Beedazzled @goatsarah what they said was that it will be based on βbirth sexβ.
Which is different to βbirth certificateβ.
That's kinda the point of a GRC actually.
There is quite simply no βIDβ that consistently tells them what they now want to know. Someone with a GRC will have a birth certificate that doesn't match βbirth sexβ.
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in reply to Christine Burns MBE π³οΈββ§οΈπβ§ • • •I think the proportionality and reasonableness tests have been weakened by it, and I've tried to write about why - but I'm not a lawyer.
The short version is, I think we were relying partly on the untestable possibility of there being a GRC in play, to make the safe option for orgs to be our inclusion. That's gone and people like Sumption are saying it's reasonable though not compulsory to exclude us from changing rooms etc. He actually used the "not getting changed in front of male bodies" as an example of reasonable.
They're going to get the EHRC hatchet job guidance out quick, and then hit us with a bunch of cases to establish case law on their side.
HarriettMB
in reply to Ghost of Hope π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •@grayface_ghost This by Falconer is enraging. Sheβs clearly a transphobe/TERF, because she was out of the gate so quick to attack the NHS. But she is putting all the onus on trans people to fight for their basic rights and humanity. Equality??? That evil person doesnβt know the meaning of the word. π€¬
βTrans people will continue to have protections under the Equality Act because gender reassignment is listed as a protected characteristic.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission - which oversees the application of the Equality Act - is to issue new guidance to help service providers.
The watchdog's head, Baroness Falkner, has suggested trans people should use their "power of advocacy" to ask for facilities including a "third space" for toilets.β
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They've been arguing this position for a couple of years now - the dodgy schools guidance has their paws all over it for example. I remember solicitors releasing statements saying "Erm lads, I wouldn't actually follow this if you want to stay on the right side of the law."
The new guidance will be out in a few weeks, they're only waiting long enough to plausibly pretend they've had to think about it.
Llwynog
in reply to Christine Burns MBE π³οΈββ§οΈπβ§ • • •Methinks this is going to lead to more court cases - from #trans people being mistreated as a result of (erroneous interpretations of) this ruling.
Interesting how the Supreme Court briefly acknowledges the ECtHR's reasoning behind the ruling in 'Goodwin', but seemingly fails to assess the potential impact of treating GRC-holders as being in permanent legal limbo between the genders.
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in reply to Llwynog • • •Yep. They know what they've done.
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in reply to Christine Burns MBE π³οΈββ§οΈπβ§ • • •I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the Supreme Court decision complies with article 6 of the human rights act
I'm guessing no one in officialdom is going to mention that
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in reply to Christine Burns MBE π³οΈββ§οΈπβ§ • • •Is this in the legislation or has it developed in guidance case law?
Because the SC gives a literal example of how to enact a blanket exclusion in FWS 221. Enemy lawyers will have a field day with it and get stinking rich on christofash dollars