Unknown parent

@Orc Not really, no. The animals all the memes and the fucked up celebrity status spend most of the time in a waterway that’s basically impossible to avoid if you’re transiting between the Med and Atlantic, which a LOT of people do. There have been multiple attacks per day on average for the last 3-4 years now, and it’s escalating. One of the animals has turned up dead in a French estuary with a bullet in it. They have attacked boats from Gibraltar to the Scilly isles, basically the entire Atlantic coast of continental Europe.
in reply to The Actual Brian

@The Actual Brian @Orc I fear so, although now we have good intel on their position, the attacks should decrease. They decrease for the latter part of the year anyway because the animals migrate to Biscay and are much more spread out. At the moment, if you sail out of the med into the Atlantic and go beyond the 20 metre contour line, they WILL get you.
Unknown parent

mastodon - Link to source

Russ Garrett

@bebatjof one of the theories is that they were primarily annoyed at the fishing boats but they found sailboats more enjoyable to attack, and it became more of a play/bonding thing.

Interestingly this behaviour started in mid-2020, after boat volumes reduced due to covid lockdowns. I wonder if they thought they could make the boats go away again.

in reply to Buster McNutt

@Marq βš›οΈ @fedops πŸ’™πŸ’› Yup. The idea that we are uniquely, amongst all animals, able to engage in sadistic cruelty is bizarre to me. It also flies in the face of direct observation.

At least they’re not as bad as their close relative: the bottlenose dolphin. Now they can really be prone to being utter bastards.

Unknown parent

mastodon - Link to source

Miguel Arroz

@klardotsh @orc Having lived on both sides of the pond, there’s definitely a clash on how people look at the relationship between people and nature. Here it’s more β€œthe deer is not crossing the road, the road is crossing the forest” and there are heavy fines and prision time if people mess or even disturb wild life. So different views on the whole orca issue are expected.
in reply to Miguel Arroz

The association with wealth is more dubious, though. There are a lot of people here in Vancouver living in boats, or trying to, and they are not rich folks. I’m fact many do it because it’s cheaper than renting or owning property. Their biggest enemies are the marinas, which increasingly forbid living in boats that are parked there. But I’m sure they would be sympathetic with Iberian sailors and wanting a solution that protected both sides.
This entry was edited (2 years ago)
in reply to Miguel Arroz

in reply to Sarah Brown

@orc @klardotsh I think Europe is very heterogenous in that regard. For example, UK has the same culture of urban parks and green spaces as here. People understand the daily contact with nature is essential. That doesn't happen in Portugal. As much as I think about coming back every day, how Portugal deals with nature is a downside for me. See the episode of asphalting the Fonte da Telha parking lot right on the beach (or having a parking lot on the beach in first place). 1/…
in reply to Miguel Arroz

@orc @klardotsh Although there has been more effort to preserve nature and make it enjoyable by people (lots of passadiΓ§os popping up everywhere), there's still a strong mindset nature is just something in the way of people being able to drive their cars everywhere. Last December I walked on some trails near the cliffs in Cabo SardΓ£o and Cabo Espichel, and I saw people driving on those trais on both locations… 2/…
Unknown parent

friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Sarah Brown

@jeanoappleseed @Marq βš›οΈ @fedops πŸ’™πŸ’› The pods are now being tagged and information on their whereabouts is being communicated through. Boat owners are also increasingly collaborating to report attacks and their locations in real time, and there are apps that show it. It’s getting easier to just not be where they are.

Hopefully as we get better at avoiding them, they will start to forget about their stupid little rudder game.

If not, then I suspect things are going to get messy. The attacks in the strait are happening close to shore (how can they not? It’s narrow). The ones in Biscay in the winter and autumn are much further out, and there’s not so much oversight of what goes on out there. In previous years, it’s been suggested that some of the encounters in Biscay have ended very badly for the orcas, although details are scarce because nobody wants to get in trouble.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I think sadistic is anthropomorphizing, but the rest of this is accurate. My husband and I lived on a 1990s sailboat for a few years. She was technically a "yacht" because any recreational vessel is a yacht (and it's still classed as recreational if you live there), but we also got turned away from repair yards because they "only work on yachts" (the other, fancy boat definition).
in reply to Sarah Brown

Thanks for this insight! It's really helped me understand what's going on with the Orcas and boats, and why it's a problem. I've thought about this post a number of times since seeing it a few days ago, so I wanted to come back and thank you.

I also appreciate your insight in one of the replies – that there's tagging, tracking, and communication going on to combat the problem and avoid encounters. I find that really interesting and resourceful.

Unknown parent

friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Sarah Brown

@Noodlemaz You may not think playing volleyball with seals before killing and eating them isn't saidstic, but if so, you and I have very different definitions of that word.

Lots of dolphins in general are, let's be honest, bastards. Orcas aren't the worst dolphins, but they are certainly up there.

If you think that enjoying inflicting pain and suffering, and killing for enjoyment, is something that is unique to humans, then you're a fool.

⇧