Apple’s AirPods with cameras for AI are apparently close to production
Apple’s AirPods with cameras for AI are apparently close to production
The new headphones might help you decide what to make for dinner.Jay Peters (The Verge)
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The new headphones might help you decide what to make for dinner.Jay Peters (The Verge)
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Substance_P
in reply to General_Effort • • •Nobody asked for this. This AI push is stagnating innovation.
Also, link is paywalled. removepaywalls.com/theverge.co…
www.theverge.com/tech/926376/apple-airpods-cameras-ai-production
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Rioting Pacifist
in reply to Substance_P • • •I think it's the other way around, corporate consolidation (including capturing our governments and getting all research funding) killed innovation a while ago and now AI is just the latest non-idea that is being used to cover up that none of the corporations have any new ideas. Even Apple's latest good idea, ARM laptops, was basically done by cheap Linux nettops a decade ago.
atomicbocks
in reply to Rioting Pacifist • • •Also, ARM laptops were Steve Jobs’ last big idea. He put in place Apple’s last 10 year plan before he died. The first M series laptop came out nine years after his death.
The reason being that Apple is actually considered to be one of the founding members of ARM so they have unique access to the core. Moving to ARM was always the plan after moving to Intel. Apple was the first company to produce a portable ARM device, the Newton back in the early 90s before Jobs’ return.
So even that innovation isn’t exactly new.
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in reply to TachyonTele • • •i'm not, but thanks. not sure how "live out of bedroom" = "live at parents house" but whatever.
i'm doing perfectly fine with life. but i'm already on enough cameras everywhere i go, don't need to add apple fanboi influencers/youtubers to the mix. i'll stay in my room
TachyonTele
in reply to U7826391786239 • • •InfiniteGlitch
in reply to General_Effort • • •I like AirPods (Pro) but this is a real no-go (for me). If this really gets pushed and in the stores, will not purchase them.
I wish companies would just get away with AI and unnecessary crap like this.
Rai
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in reply to General_Effort • • •PierceTheBubble
in reply to General_Effort • • •TrackinDaKraken
in reply to General_Effort • • •That doesn't sound "low-resolution" to me. Also, does anyone really trust them not to record the camera feed? It needs to be sent to the cloud for this thing to work, they're going to record it, and nothing is ever deleted.
Just because the user isn't given the images, doesn't mean the video isnt' recorded.
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in reply to TrackinDaKraken • • •Not necessarily, you could compute embeddings on device, but that requires decent compute.
And embeddings are reversible and don’t preserve privacy. It’s not meaningfully better than video.
ParlimentOfDoom
in reply to TrackinDaKraken • • •ChunkMcHorkle
in reply to TrackinDaKraken • • •I already assume that everything that goes into a cloud somewhere WILL be used for other purposes, at the very least as AI training material, and this will be no different. And the plan is for at least some (possibly all?) video to automatically be extracted to some kind of cloud storage, no matter how temporarily. From the article:
That's a hell of a non-answer to all the privacy concerns Apple already knows the public has. Since this entire article is itself just a manufacturer-friendly puff piece for pre-release promotion, the only conclusion I can draw is that Apple is willfully holding back the specifics on all of that.
And again with the fucking notification light, like that's the solution to all privacy concerns. On AirPods a light can't possibly be more than a pinhole itself, just because of the size of the device, so that'll be even worse than Meta's joke of a notification light.
thisbenzingring
in reply to General_Effort • • •who's going to use this when it makes the battery life almost nothing?
my ear buds are good enough but still only last for so long just listening over Bluetooth. two way conversation makes them drain even faster... two way plus video? come on!
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Fredselfish
Unknown parent • • •WesternInfidels
in reply to General_Effort • • •Those are some pretty underwhelming use-cases. I can't see the world beating a path to anyone's door for that. Even if you were so excited about these features that you were willing to overlook the privacy concerns, it seems like the phone you've already got would probably be just fine as a conduit for such services.
Squizzy
in reply to WesternInfidels • • •Take a picture of your fridge with a better angle than your ears have.
Use GPS.
vagrancyand
in reply to Squizzy • • •Rioting Pacifist
in reply to WesternInfidels • • •HertzDentalBar
in reply to Rioting Pacifist • • •General_Effort
in reply to WesternInfidels • • •Yeah. But mind that the bulk price of mediocre cameras is insignificant next to the sales price of AirPods.
I think the idea is that people can walk around and chat with their AI companion, and it sees what they see. No need for any fussing about with hardware. That's exactly Apple's thing. Effortless technology for people who don't want to deal with the mechanics of technology.
Airfried
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in reply to General_Effort • • •The Speed of Outrage: Tom Scott at Thinking Digital 2015
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in reply to General_Effort • • •People would enjoy these features. But they want it to happen without a camera, somehow.
So they are supposedly verboten features. Never to be done.
xSikes
in reply to General_Effort • • •vagrancyand
in reply to General_Effort • • •So now I have to stab every person wearing airpods if I don't want to be spied on by the Five Eyes intelligence agencies?
Every day I'm thankful US tech is less and less popular outside the west.
Imgonnatrythis
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in reply to General_Effort • • •rmuk
in reply to General_Effort • • •Oh, brilliant! This is exactly what I wanted and directly solves so many problems and frustrations I have with the status quo! Thank goodness for such innovation! I feel seen!
Edit: oops, that should say "I hope everyone involved in bringing this product to market gets given an STI by a hippopotamus". Silly autocorrect.
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in reply to General_Effort • • •Fuck right off, dipshits.
What really sucks about this is that there's a version of us in the infinite multiverses where these companies and politicians develop and maintain trust so that we can actually benefit from some of these innovations without just feeling paranoid and taken advantage of, but instead, in their hubris, they make us hate them and their tech.
blargh513
in reply to Earthman_Jim • • •This is the truth. I got a free Oura ring and I would love to try it, but they're in bed with palantir. Fuck that.
So many interesting developments, but I'm unwilling to sell my soul to the devil to try them. What a dream it would be to use them without worrying that they're going to sell every possible bit of data about me to the lowest bidder.
badgermurphy
in reply to blargh513 • • •If its any consolation, nearly all new tech gadgets are shit anymore, still more are neat for a bit then slowly turn to shit in time, and others get abandoned and become theater props.
If you fear you're missing out, I assure you that is merely a perception, and you'd be disappointed if you tried most of that stuff. In my experience, any new tech in the past 10+ years that looked interesting ended up looking less interesting the more I learned about it, to the point I was actively disinterested before I was even done with my research on it.
404found
in reply to General_Effort • • •I can literally throw a rock outside and hit someone in the head wearing some type of headphones. There are tons of options out there.
AirPods aren't impressive and Apple isn't focused on exciting their customers like they were a decade ago. My old Apple Watch died recently and I replaced it with another brand. Be loyal to Apple the same way they are loyal to you.
KairuByte
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Unknown parent • • •They probably are designed for low resolution because Apple couldn't mass produce better cameras affordably. Plus there is other hardware they don't have space for.
This will most likely follow the iPhone camera business model where new model AirPods will keep getting upgraded cameras.
ArcaneSlime
in reply to General_Effort • • •Fuck.
Anyone know of any good headphones that have the airpod in-ear shape? (Like these)
Hate the Skullcandy style with the shitty rubber nubs, those hurt my ears. (Like these)
But that's all anyone makes now other than airpods non-pro and cheap shitty airpod knockoffs (but I still want halfway decent headphones.)
No it isn't "just the wrong size" don't bother with that, I just have way too tight ear pussies and I need it to rest outside the hole like the first pic.
LiveLM
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in reply to ArcaneSlime • • •Just the other day me and a friend were talking about this and we found the JBL Tune Flex 2.
Are they good? No clue. But they are the right shape. JBL has some other models too.
ArcaneSlime
in reply to LiveLM • • •WideEyedStupid
in reply to ArcaneSlime • • •I just wanted to let you know, I've used the JBL Tune 225TWS for years and they still work. Like you said, definitely not the best, but good enough while I'm on a bus or something.
I even still have my Tune220TWS, which are older, but they also still work. The only reason I stopped using those was because they still use micro-USB and my last cable broke. All I had left were USB-C (due to the EU law that made it universal).
tl;dr: they might not be the best sound quality, but their devices last a long time. I've even dropped mine a few times and they survived it.
ArcaneSlime
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in reply to ArcaneSlime • • •Nothing also do some. Nothing Ear (Stick)
notebookcheck.net/Nothing-Ear-…
However I'm not sure if they are currently being produced, they do some open, over ear buds however; they all have the rubbish pinch gestures vs the old touch from the AirPods 1 / 2.
Nothing Ear (Stick) TWS headphones review - Transparent sound
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in reply to ArcaneSlime • • •I really like the ear-loop style so that they don't have to be jammed into my ear canal. They (and the accompanying case) are slightly larger, but I find them much more comfortable and no concerns about them falling out even when moving around a lot.
I'm very particular about what goes into my ear as well.
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in reply to ArcaneSlime • • •forestbeasts
in reply to ArcaneSlime • • •If you like wired, they have wired "earpods" with the same shape. Even a 3.5mm version, last we checked.
-- Frost
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in reply to forestbeasts • • •Ibuthyr
in reply to ArcaneSlime • • •AirPods are earbuds, whereas the ones with tips that go into the ear channel are IEMs. The latter are better in every way in my opinion, but that doesn't help if they hurt. I use foam tips, they give the best seal and comfort in my opinion.
What speaks against headphones? Like on-ear or over-ear headphones.
KairuByte
in reply to Fredselfish • • •States as in US? Because if that’s the case, this won’t be illegal in any way shape or form.
I don’t understand why people think there is some law out there that supersedes the first amendment which unambiguously protects video recording in anything other than a bathroom, changing room, or the like.
Even in private property doesn’t have a law stating you can’t record, it’s just that you are likely to be trespassed if you break a private establishments no recording policy.
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in reply to bridgeburner • • •ParadoxSeahorse
in reply to General_Effort • • •Everyone’s losing their shit over an additional sensor. Does everyone think their phone is constantly recording video because it has a camera on it, the same with the microphone? Laptops?
Maybe if it was Meta? I don’t think Apple’s business model incentivises personally identifiable spying or keeping any recordings outside of their standard analytics and “improvements” model.
They have been caught being pretty ham fisted with using third parties to process this data (eg. Siri recordings), so I wouldn’t put it past them for any of these anonymised recordings to fall into anyone’s hands really, but that’s why you can now turn them off.
Which I would immediately do. I would never buy these anyway, and it sounds like a terrible idea, but some of this freaking out is giving them way too much credit.
Corkyskog
in reply to ParadoxSeahorse • • •Yes. Maybe not constantly, but without your consent.
If the 3 letter agencies are telling you to cover your webcam and Aliexpress is starting to sell phone and tablet camera cover stickers then I fully believe it's a problem.
Ibuthyr
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in reply to General_Effort • • •brbposting
Unknown parent • • •Apple could theoretically lock it down [for a period of time] but darn—you made me realize the clones will have real cameras and look 1:1 before long
…lol “Siri, verify nearby AirPods” (…then the bad guy keeps a real pair activated nearby? and it’s back to creepy)
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This may be a first of its kind hardware issue for Apple, unless I’m forgetting something
brbposting
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