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The Israeli government has cut off food, water, and fuel to 2 million people inside Gaza as part of its campaign to stamp out Hamas terrorism. Collective punishment is not only contrary to international law, it is inhumane and illogical. It is what my community once endured in World War II, all because of the actions of others who happened to share our ethnicity. Have we learned nothing? How will this possibly help deescalate the violence rather than radicalize many more? It is madness.
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What do you want them to do? Say please with sugar give our people back. Enough!! Those people let them takeover their city and sadlie will pay. Israel is fighting for their lives. They want Israel exterminated just like the Germany Nazi try to do them during WW II. Enough. Feel for those but Israel need to punish, next if Iran was involve they are next.
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Jörg Henne

as a German, I disagree strongly with that. In WW II, in my home town of Stuttgart alone, more than 8500 residents, most of them civilians, perished in the allied bomb raids. While one can debate the strategic value of those, they were legitimate and the only way to break fascism in Germany.

Civilian suffering is a direct consequence of allowing a fascist regime to persist. The people of Gaza once voted in Hamas and have since failed to get rid of the fascist Hamas regime. They now suffer the consequences.

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Theodore Casser

I’d like to know what other country is expected to supply their enemies - who have taken civilians hostage - with supplies during active combat. I respect you greatly, but you’re wrong on this one.

I mourn for the Palestinian civilians caught in the midst of this, but they are not Israel’s problem right now.

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Jargoggles

This thread has been very helpful at identifying accounts to block.

The number of people who are viciously defending Israel's violence against innocent people is disgusting. You can practically see the blood foaming from their mouths.

Yes, what Hamas did was horrible. No, they didn't force Israel to commit their own atrocities against the Palestinian people. There is no justification for Israel's response.

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Jason Rak

@thatkruegergirl So let me get this straight, George. Terrorists can murder, steal, break into citizens homes, murder complete families, hold dozens (that we know of) hostage, burn down buildings, and act like the animals that they are. But it’s Israel who is supposed to abide by rules? It’s Israel that the world says “must be responsible” and abide by an “international law” that their enemy takes absolutely no part in? F off. Seriously.
@Kerri Ann :blobbee_bi:
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enmodo ⚛️ 🧬 🇺🇦 🍉

I think they should look to what happened to end the violence in Northern Ireland. Which is ironic because the British were the root cause of both conflicts.

I'm sure there are people in Israel and US who'd to see an Iraq style invasion and 100% occupation. But they will never end the violence in Palestine by trying to squeeze and crush them out of existence, unless they literally embarked on all out genocide.

Then again some would call this a slow moving genocide...

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Frog Father

I am so very sorry for what was done to your family, your community. So sadly wrong.
But, I am afraid Gaza is gone. The Israelis will disregard any concept of logic and humanity, and push Gaza into the sea with their bulldozers. No one will stop them. We will give them money and fuels to do it.
Horrifying that the victims of the Holocaust will repeat it on others “not like them”.
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trdebunked

is it genocide yet? because i already stood with the people who called it apartheid, but it was disputed (pretty reasonbly to be fair) that it had reached the point of genocide as some have called it.

this isnt intended rhetorical or pithy, but i do want to know if this is genocide yet. either way its a crime against humanity.

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trdebunked

not unlike america during bush jr. era, the israeli right conflates not supporting the right wing with being against israel. theres absolutely more to it than that but at times like this, there is no call to reason or international law the right wing will listen to.

and this has not changed since 1948: archive.org/details/AlbertEins…

its not anti-semitism to agree with einstein on israeli politics.

Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948 New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed : Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Ar

New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed. A letter to The New York Times. Saturday December 4, 1948 by Albert...
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Paul

Hi George,

I believe that you, and others concerned about what is happening, will likely be interested in a petition for radical reform of the UN 🇺🇳 / Security Council, which has failed to resolve major conflicts peacefully (over decades!), including the conflict of Israel 🇮🇱 vs the Palestinians 🇵🇸.

If indeed you are interested, the petition is accessible via toot:

toot.community/@Paullima/11068…

Regards
Paul

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John

it is madness and it will just get worse .All the attention is on Israel.This is a conflict and should be looked from both sides .Not just single out one as the aggressor and one as the victim .Until dialogue can be made and there is peace from both sides .Fear there could be a Arab war those who have alliances to either country could enter the afray.
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Daniel Hakimi

seige warfare is entirely legal under international law.

As long as Hamas uses water, fuel, and electricity to fire rockets on, murder, rape, kidnap, and execute Israeli civilians, Israel has no business supplying them.

Hamas cannot be radicalized any more than it already is. The only way to end the violence is to end Hamas.

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Utsav Ratti

No politician could ever be accused of rational decision making. They feel that they must be perceived as “doing something” and indeed that’s true because how else do we explain GWB using Powell and fabricating a lie in front of the UN to justify the Iraq invasion; or Trump in a field that then had far more viable moderates (though that, then, was hard to contemplate) because he promised to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it (and Biden still is)?
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Papaw Miller

George, I value your opinion and 99.99% of the views you express very highly, however, having lived in the Middle East for six years, let me tell you the people in Gaza — the innocent civilians, and they ARE innocent — are well aware of the terrorist elements that are living in their midst and planning these types of horrific attack. I don’t ordinarily condone violence but when attacked — and Israel WAS attacked — the only response is to respond in kind.
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BigBadWolf (BBW)

You speak volumes of wisdom from personal experience. Far too many people jumping on the band wagon supporting apartheid Zionist Israel, which is guilty of crimes against humanity. The loss of life on both sides is unforgivable but the hidden agenda of the west and its corruption in support of Israel is tantamount to turning a blind eye to the Holocaust. Have we learned nothing?
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MacropodCarer: Verified 🌈🦘🦣

But naturally #apartheid #israel will not be held to account.

How many Gaza refugees have they killed over the past 50 years?

Nope. Not joining Australia in their condemnation of the refugees. Disagree with their tactics but how long do you keep an entire people in servitude before expecting a reaction?

That's just f'kg stupid.

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Marc Schulman

I have always respected you. This is not collective punishment this is a state that opened a war with unbelievable atrocities against us. Why should we provide them with food or electricity. They are now our enemy and we have seen what they are capable of.we do not target civilians but as Hamas fighters and Hamas missiles are hidden among civilians some will die. I am sorry about that but if Hamas wants to surrender we can end this.
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justicesandwich

money and ammunition are driving the decisions.

The rational approach would be to offer safe passage, but there's no money for actual humanitarian aid.

This will boost arms sales in the region, pushing the almighty GDP higher. Help only is given in the form of explosives.

This approach will radicalize more, leading to a greater profit next quarter at the cost of human lives.

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Andy

No one wants this George, but Hamas clearly think it’s a price worth paying. They have no respect for life at all. As far as I know, there are 30-40 Islamic countries in the world, however the only Jewish nation constantly seems to be fighting for its own survival, which is totally wrong. It should be acknowledged, left alone, and it’s civilians should be able to live their lives in peace. After the Holocaust in WW2, can anyone blame Israel for being heavy handed?
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Colopen

it has been about moving Palestinians from Palestine for a half century. Ideally, through driving them into other countries or other means. Netanyahu and the rest of his government are in their element now. They love war.

I do NOT support Hamas and never would. They aren't for the health and safety of Palestinians. They used the ineffectiveness of the Arafat and the later government as an in road.

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