Recommendations, please, for trans/non-binary/genderqueer (i.e. non-cis!) trans, enby, or agender people in the UK who sell cool t-shirts (especially techy/nerdy ones).
I need some more, and I'd like to direct my money.
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Neil Brown
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in reply to Neil Brown • • •Some non-binary people don't like the "enby" language because it feels infantilizing, some prefer it. 🤷♂️ It's difficult to please everyone.
I think "trans" is a reasonable umbrella term on its own for these purposes, it doesn't need a lot more elaboration.
Neil Brown
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in reply to Neil Brown • • •Different people have different, and strongly held (understandably so), opinions.
I'm listening, and so far, my impression is that there is no approach which will work for all?
Roger BW 😷
in reply to Neil Brown • • •SignalEleven
in reply to Neil Brown • • •it's hard to be an ally if every word is taken apart, checked for absolute inclusion and accuracy. Some people thrive in the feeling of "fighting the good fight" enforcing their personal taxonomy, and those people are not helping.
I'm sure a vast majority will take your support as honest, however many arbitrary lines you draw on a continuous spectrum.
It's a spectrum. Lines are arbitrary. I will recognize any line drawn by every one (if they draw it for themeselves, not for others)
Paul
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in reply to Quinn Rhodes (he/him) • • •When I wrote my piece about trans access to abortion, I talked about 'trans, non-binary, intersex, and Two Spirt people' – using 'trans' and 'non-binary' as umbrella terms (as well as distinct identities) but also feeling that intersex and Two Spirit folks also needed to be included in that conversation but didn't necessarily fall under those umbrellas.
mashable.com/article/trans-peo…
Why trans people need to be included in the abortion fight
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in reply to Neil Brown • • •Morgan
in reply to Neil Brown • • •We'd say trans is the best word. Any new umbrella term is going to be controversial and rarely used. And like, anecdotally... everyone we've seen saying they're nonbinary and not trans, and who has explained why, has used logic that would exclude nonbinary people who do use the word trans. That one is disagreement on the definition of trans, not variance in experience. We've not actually heard to arguments for cutting agender from nonbinary. We suspect it's much the same.
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At risk of showing profound ignorance, is that "trans and genderqueer", or is one a superset of the other?
Rocketman
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Unknown parent • • •Rich Harrison
in reply to Neil Brown • • •Sally Pepper is a great singer songwriter. Their merch is great. Here is their trans community supporting shirt.
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"Zero Effect" T-shirt from Sally Pepper
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in reply to Neil Brown • • •I really love this shirt, and also the services this charity provides have been literally life changing for me and they're in desperate need of funding so it'd be great if people bought their stuff.
notaphase.org/shop/nap-x-dirte…
nap x dirtee murfee ally t-shirt – white text – Not A Phase
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in reply to too silly • • •Neil Brown
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I think the fact that we use a long list of letters, with a plus at the end, is indicative of the complexity of trying to find a short, simple, inclusive and not exclusive, approach, even if - for the reasons you say - including all of those letters, in this particular situation, would not work.
Back to the notion of "trans+"?!
Neil Brown
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Oh, I'm happy with the people! It's about expressing myself clearly, without causing unintended offence, upset, or harm.
Sindarina, Edge Case Detective
in reply to Neil Brown • • •Nah, just learn to be comfortable with the rich tapestry of folks who question, change, reconstruct, and/or abolish their gender(s), sometimes on a daily basis. It’ll be an ongoing effort.
No single term is ever going to be all-encompassing, and there's always going to be at least one person who feels you are excluding them.
They are welcome to shelter under any umbrella I carry myself, though, such as when it rains, or they just want some shade, and don't need to provide an explanation
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draeath
in reply to Neil Brown • • •can't help with the actual request, except to suggest including places that can make the shirts for you from existing art (my local hackerspace for instance has the equipment to put whatever print you want onto a shirt (or any other fabric, really).
I'm sure you can find that in the UK?
Neil Brown
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