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LBC presenter says the quiet part out loud. [Youtube short]

“Where are trans women supposed to go then?”
“I don’t know, that’s for them to work out”

youtube.com/watch?v=xMoTD9rAng…

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in reply to Sarah Brown

I think this is going to turn into one of the things England has always specialised in: there is the rule and then there is the practice. We’ll do ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ hypocrisy till the country works out how to elect serious people (if it ever does). This is how it was for generations before we started achieving legislation in the nineties.
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in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖

@goatsarah so, we can either:

Obey the non statutory "guidance" and just allow ourselves to become dehydrated in order to not offend the sensibilities of a minute fraction of the pearl clutching population

Or tell them all to fuck right off and use bogs as we always have, going back decades irrespective of what the law may or may not have said.

Seeing as there never HAVE been any laws stating who can and cannot use whatever facilities, I would abso fucking lutely choose the latter over making myself ill any day of the week.

in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift

@goatsarah @alexadeswift Let’s be clear: The “guidance” is for employers and service providers, not for trans people. The guidance is about how they should comply with the Equality Act and it’s going to go down like an uncleaned toilet once businesses work out what this madness is going to cost them to address a non-existent problem that’s been dragged into existence by EHRC. The SC ruling is limited to the interpretation of sex in the Equality Act. Outside of
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖

@goatsarah @alexadeswift that scope your sex is officially defined on your birth certificate, either from birth or a GRC. There is no actual law that sorts people into spaces. All that exists is law that addresses misbehaviour — regardless of sex or presentation (and that applies to GCs too). People need to work out for themselves how to navigate the need to pee, according to their own circumstances, just like we did in the old days, thirty years ago.
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖

@goatsarah @alexadeswift Now, yes, of course that is no help to employers and service providers. But we aren’t here to help them with THEIR problems. We come into their domain needing to pee in safety.
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in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift

Especially @alexadeswift : Here from Germany, too. I follow the development in the UK closely because there is a global trend visible here and because I use to travel to UK frequently - so there is a bit of concern.

Also: The new German government has promised to have an "evaluation" of current trans law here (SBGG, AGG) next year. We can expect some restrictions re: current status and the "trans list" issue to come up again. So, learn from UK.

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in reply to Christine M.

@kiwi2002 @goatsarah yes, the Union led Coalition, with it's desire to "evaluate" the SBGG is a concern, especially considering that they were always opposed to it irrespective of the Constitutional Courts declaring the old TSG as unconstitutional.

All we can hope is that the SPD junior partner, along with other left wing progressive parties in the Bundestag, can keep Merz, Söder & Co in check, at least until such a time as another progressive coalition can be voted into power.

in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift

@alexadeswift @goatsarah

Yes, let's hope. Although my trust into centre-left SPD is not too high, unfortunately. Their enthusiasm for the SBGG was, shall we say, controlled, and the evaluation promise is part of the coalition agreement with the Union, so there is a level of agreement about doing this with a special focus on "protecting women" (Where have we heard that before? Who's pushing that slogan?) and children. It's so f*ing familiar. Hence > UK.

in reply to Christine M.

@kiwi2002 @goatsarah indeed, and I have a terrible feeling that they will use what is happening in the UK a la Cass and UK Supreme Court to justify removing trans rights.

The shocking thing is, and every lawmaker SHOULD know this, that rights are absolutely not a zero sum game. They are not cake, and giving more rights to one group does not mean taking rights from another.

It is as if these lawmakers have walked around Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Auswitz et al during the recent commemorations and learned absolutely nothing.

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in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖

You are spot on.

However, it completely (and I'm sure, deliberately) muddies the waters and encourages 'scope creep' of the 'guidance' when complete rissoles like McFadden and Phillipson start pontificating to the media and press that 'trans women must use male toilets'.

It's going to be used as another wedge to further remove trans rights IMO.

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in reply to Sue Briccay

@essjayjay @goatsarah ah, but there is more:

Trans women must use mens toilets because we are biological men. Except when we don't look like men, then we must NOT use mens toilets. But because we are not biological women, those trans women who look like women, must not use women's toilets.

Such mind buggeringly idiotic doublethink simply does not deserve any kind of consideration.

in reply to Alexa Devreux-Swift

@alexadeswift @essjayjay @goatsarah and, importantly, it clearly goes against the judgement of the European Court that “In short, the unsatisfactory situation in which post-operative transsexuals live in an intermediate zone as not quite one gender or the other is no longer sustainable”.
in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖

Who is that at LBC? Is she LBC?
I wouldn't expect an a-hole there, but that micht be because I only link it with one presenter.
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in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖

So, for the rest they just suck.
Indeed only familiar with him.

Who was this woman who clearly thinks that women who don't adhere to gender binary visual expectations should be denied going to the ladies?

in reply to Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖

like one of the other commenters said.
I’ll keep using the women’s toilets.
Just in case those bum rags can’t get it through their skulls that’s me working it out myself.