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Apparently before carrot was domesticated, it was almost indistinguishable from hemlock.

I bet the story of how humanity sorted that one out is wild.

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in reply to Sarah Brown

See also: potatoes - early varieties would likely cause death by solanine poisoning, as well as tasting vile.

Almonds - originally full of cyanide and apparently tasted of bleach.

Rhubarb - stalk lovely, leaf gives excruciating death by oxalic acid poisoning.

How desperate and hungry were our ancestors to turn lethal poisons into food crops?

And it would have saved a lot of bother if they’d never bothered with the gluten grains. Rice deserved better.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I once read a blog post by a plant breeder who was crossing domestic and wild tomatoes to develop tomato varieties that could produce a crop in climates where our current varieties don't grow.

Most of the poisonous compounds in tomatoes have a bitter flavor, so he got pretty good mileage out of tasting a tiny amount of a fruit and not continuing if it had a bad taste. But one time he ate a very tasty little tomato he'd bred, and then several hours later started feeling really sick. For some reason he wrote "sorry" and the identifying info of the poison fruited plant on himself and went to bed instead of seeking medical help. (He may have been living off grid in a remote place or something like that, I don't remember.) Luckily he wasn't too badly poisoned and lived to tell about it.

For anyone interested in plant breeding, modern domestic tomatoes don't have the genes for poison fruit anymore, so you can crossbreed them with each other safely.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I recall Guns Germs & Steel mentioning that not being poisonous in almonds is a recessive genetic characteristic, then speculating that some almonds being non poisonous might have been discovered by accident when a naughty child ate almonds and then didn't die.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Wild carrot still looks like a member of the dropwort family (inc. hemlock) side fact: The reason almost every carrot 🥕 on the planet is orange is because it was bred that way by the Dutch to celebrate their monarch. Before this there were blue & purple carrots too.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Yeah there's a reason we cultivate food. I tried some blue spuds once, it was weird (not the taste) Apparently blue is a very disconcerting food colour for the human psyche.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Useful for a nice, natural, purpley dye I suppose? The word purpley is lush.
in reply to Semi Sentient AI Cooling Water

@sentient_water
We have purple, white, and orange carrots growing in our garden right now.

Carrot ginger soup made with just purple carrots is awesome. They have a different flavor than the orange ones.

in reply to Sarah Brown

Domesticated is the right word, but it makes me chuckle. 😀
in reply to Sarah Brown

I always wondered how we discovered bread baking actually, it isn't an obvious combination of ingredients right?
in reply to David Honess

@davespice coffee...

A bean you can't eat
Which you rot to ferment the stone and remove the pulp
Which you can't eat
Which you have to roast
Which you can't eat
Which you you have to add to boiling water
Which tastes vile (mmmm coffeeeee) and has zero food value...

in reply to Kincaid

@Kincaid @David Honess AIUI, that one came from an observation of the effects on goats that ate the plant by a monk who wanted to replicate the effect in humans.
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Sarah Brown

@Becky is not a bear In terms of hemlock, apparently there’s no intoxication: just a horrible death as you lose the ability to breathe, but remain fully aware (it’s a neurotoxin).

Solanine, it seems can cause hallucinations, but only once you are deep into “oh shit, I’m going to die” territory, and apparently you have to get there via nausea, diarrhoea, muscle cramps, and a whole lot of other fun stuff.

The latter is one of my main IBS triggers, so I eat potatoes very sparingly.