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Imagine being Elon Musk, or Donald Trump, or Boris Johnson. You have more money than you know what to do with. You could literally afford to go to whatever paradise you want and spend the days of your one life doing whatever you please.

They came so tantalisingly close to having more fulfilling and carefree lives than 99.99% of humans who have ever lived, but instead they want the masses to fear and adore them.

And they are utterly miserable, because nothing will fill the void, and the more they try, the more they debase themselves in front of billions, and the people they most need to respect them probably think they’re losers.

Idiots. Fools. Losers.

Musk is the worst of them. Read some Iain M Banks books, didn’t understand any of then, decided to save the world by becoming a solar power and electric vehicle magnate with space colonies.

But instead he is approaching old age as the proprietor of a bankrupt nazi chat room, and none of his kids will speak to him.

How can you have so many advantages and yet fuck up so amazingly completely?

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Irony is, it’s entirely possible to win at life and get the adulation and respect they so deeply want, while leaving their impact on the world.

Just look at Dolly Parton.

But their egos get in the way. They all want to be Julius fucking Caesar.

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MySpace Tom has the right idea.

His wealth isn't enough for a personal space program, but it's enough he's free from ever having to worry about money again as long as he doesn't waste it on crap like super yachts. Now he has multiple homes across the world and spends his time travelling and enjoying himself. That's a much more mature approach and I would wager he's far, far happier than Elon Musk will ever be.

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Sarah Brown
@⠠⠵ avuko I wouldn’t bet against you.
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I cannot possibly consider anything more awesome, if I came into billionaire money, than putting enough aside to keep me modestly comfortable for the rest of my life, and then use the rest of it to change other people's lives.
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@angiebaby I think the problem is that the more money you have, the more your idea of what "modestly comfortable" means gets redefined.
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@angiebaby Back when one of the lotteries was over a billion USD, I did some math.

Based on giving up a ⅓ or a ½ of it to taxes initially and putting the rest of it into an account with shite returns (I think it was 0.5%), you could donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to charity every year and keep a ¼ million for yourself... and never touch the initial money.

That kind of money is unfathomable, and most of the people who have it are SO unimaginative and sad (if not horrifying).

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@angiebaby
It's the one idea that keeps me, too, wishing for a massive lottery win. What I could do for others with it.
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@angiebaby
That's kinda how I try to live: I want to keep enough money for me to live a comfortable life, but have no desire to acquire 'bragging wealth' (big car, big house, expensive travel, etc)
It would be fantastic if it wasn't just €10 or €100, but I could just give €10k to some random homeless person or fill up a GoFundMe.

But that could only happen (to some extent) if I won the lottery. Because I support high taxes and other measures that pretty much preclude billionaires.

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@angiebaby I decided that's what I'd do if I ever had a lot of money in middle school. What's wrong with these people?
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So true .. the fact is all these wealthy people will eventually die and rot away

They will leave their kids wealthy, but in a world a bit shittier because they existed.

Their kids have a choice of emulating their parents or trying to repair the damage for their kids.

So it will continue until they either die trying to make the world better or die with their money being of little value in a future shithole

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personally I think that is their problem - money has given them power to do as they please but they can’t cheat death, the great leveller we all must deal with and it drives them to distraction. They are all terrified of being dead and forgotten and irrelevant.
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@bobthomson70
I like to think of Nobel who saw his obituary in error when he was still alive

If they could see how the world will perceive them when they are dead... It might rip their arrogance away from them

Very few wealthy individuals are going to be thought of well after they are dead.

The people who suck up to them now... Won't give them a thought in death

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@Paul 💙 @Bob Thomson I honestly could not find it in me to give fewer shits about what people think about me when I die.
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@bobthomson70

Well general to most ordinary people, yes/no... Although ... I wouldn't like people to think I was a total arsehole... But I would like to think family will miss me and if they speak of me it would with fond thoughts

But I think.. it matters to wealthy people... How they are perceived by society

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@PGBeattie same I’m gone anyway, and you can’t control how people think of you when you are alive let alone dead.
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@bobthomson70 well yes and no... I live my life and try as be as decent as I can .. I don't shit on people ... I try and treat everyone the same ... I don't belittle people... If people want to think I'm an arsehole then that's their choice ... But I don't go out my way to be one... Unlike some wealthy people
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@PGBeattie

In order to save them from the struggle, we should have a 100% inheritance tax on anything more than the median annual wage.

@goatsarah

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“How can you have so many advantages and yet fuck up so amazingly completely?”

His wealth insulates him from the consequences of his mistakes and dumb-fuckery.

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I often think they're cursed... they acquire money and power *because* of their innate thirst for money and power. But when they're accumulated more money and power than anyone will ever need, they can't stop because that innate thirst doesn't go away.

I like to imagine that if I was a pro footballer earning 5 million a year, I would work for a year then never work again. But that is why I will never ever be in that position.

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> How can you have so many advantages and yet fuck up so amazingly completely?

One word: Narcissism.

I grew up with a malignant narcissist parent. I know this territory well.

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I can't 'like' this response and there is no 'sympathy' button. But, yeah. Sorry to hear that.
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“… fame is the worst drug known to man
It's stronger than, heroin
When you could look in the mirror like, ‘There I am’”
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Musk pretty much fell into money from his first business ventures. He started his first company with $200k, partly from his dad, sold it for $307m, his share was $22m. Then he cofounded x.com with $12m, it became PayPal, was bought by eBay for $1.5bn, he walked away with $175m.

That kind of quick money will do a number on most people. He wasn't even a good CEO, he was replaced twice but got the money by being a major shareholder.

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ladyteruki
@angiebaby : the very fact that you are in a position of deciding what is "honest, ethical" is the problem. That suggests an amount of power that is anti-democratic by nature, no matter how much you think you've gotten rid of your own biases in order to make the best possible choice.
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I agree, Musk is very much a cautionary tale but Boris has to be the biggest clown of all. Absolutely failed upwards and frankly, no redeeming features or qualities
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ladyteruki
@angiebaby : I mean, yes, but we were pretending XD
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Unearned success, inherited wealth, and being surrounded by fawning lickspittles can turn anyone into a garbage fire of a person.
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TCatLikesReality

@ndevenish
Each if these men got to this position with early advantage, luck and ... years of lying, cheating the system and cronyism.

Their grotesque wealth and power is the result of undermining the system for personal benefit. They've bent the system to promote (and foster) narcissistic sociopaths like themselves.

Billionaires are not going to help society. They are the proof it is broken.

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How indeed?

It's almost as if concentrating wealth and power in the hands of flawed individuals doesn't produce outcomes that benefit humanity as a whole and may likely be a huge impediment to Democratic societies being able to confront and solve existential threats and shared problems.

Tax these myopic, irresponsible, and dangerous man-babies so that they can enjoy their lives of luxury without trying to burn down the world to satisfy their deranged egos.

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- I saw this a few days ago. Not the idiots you mention, (these are drug lords), but the same syndrome: "...my question is always, “Hey guy, why not stop? You’re rich, your money is safe somewhere, you could have a good life with your family.”. But no. They cannot stop. They take cocaine but the real drug is not cocaine, it’s the dollar. They are absolutely enthralled by greed and they cannot control this passion they have to make money, no matter what." https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgwpx7/sinaloa-cartel-studying-economic-crime-drugs?fbclid=IwAR1ZzT6FcgdhiEKEmVrw1rpK4a42XspNCNoZxIburX1eA6BaZxq-Kj0guS0
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Joseph Heller, an important and funny writer now dead, and I were at a party given by a billionaire on Shelter Island. I said, “Joe, how does it make you feel to know that our host only yesterday may have made more money than your novel ‘Catch-22’ has earned in its entire history?”
And Joe said, “I’ve got something he can never have.”
And I said, “What on earth could that be, Joe?”
And Joe said, “The knowledge that I’ve got enough.”
Not bad! Rest in peace!

— Kurt Vonnegut

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yeah I cut Elon slack for a while because of the Iain Banks awareness... Boy did it become painfully clear he read them at an eighth grade level.
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I think Boris is pretty skint with child support and separations etc…. He was doing it FOR the money…
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The "He didn't NEED to be president! He's putting himself thru this for US!" crowd is a huge part of why #TheOrangeMenace still has so many loyal supporters.

They don't realize HE WAS NEARLY BROKE before running for president in 2016 (only doing so to boost his profile after finding out NBC was paying Gwen Stefani more than him.)

#DarthTraitor refused a salary simply *to skirt financial reporting laws*, then made a fortune using his office for personal gain. #MafiaDon #Emoluments

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Guitarsophist
@shansterable They will just buy history and make it say nice things.
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It's so incredibly frustrating. The material wealth that could be used for good is wasted on these parasitic leeches on society. When you have money like these people do, you're shielded from all the negative repercussions from your money hungry actions while I get covid for the 8th fucking time because they got money from lying about it and the other "good" rich people accepted this line of thinking without a fight. I'm going to die young
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Accumulating wealth mostly doesn’t satisfy us as humans - the example of these and so many people before them shows pretty clearly.

We (humans, in particular cultures) have this lovely myth that getting rich will make us happy, keep us satisfied. But once we start to get rich, we start to fear losing that wealth, and try to accumulate more to protect against that loss. And then we use some of that wealth to build up systems of exploitation and security, to try to keep us safe and to keep accumulating more.

The capitalist machine is this, on a system-wide scale.

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I think the kind of person who "earns" a billion dollars is a person who doesn't play well with others. No such thing as an ethical billionaire. They really see it as their due, and therefore everyone should be in awe of their skills and savvy.
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'At a party given by a billionaire on Shelter Island, Kurt Vonnegut informs his pal, Joseph Heller, that their host, a hedge fund manager, had made more money in a single day than Heller had earned from his wildly popular novel Catch-22 over its whole history.
Heller responds,“Yes, but I have something he will never have — enough.”'
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I think the REAL reason Musk stopped paying rent for his offices last year was just to feel what it's like.

A billionaire going slumming, for kicks.

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Phil Rees
@JonnyT @avuko Or it could be something he's Eton.
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it takes tender, loving care to craft an asshole of Elon's caliber
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I think he liked the Culture series because it depicts a libertarian post-scarcity utopia and he latched onto the "libertarian" part, disregarding the fact that the "post-scarcity utopia" part can't happen in a libertarian society.

As for why people like that strive for public adoration, I expect the commonality lies in at least one of their parents' emotional unavailability.

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So only poor people can help others?

It seems to me a poor person is at an extreme disadvantage in being able to help others.

As one person tries to survive in the world, another is providing jobs for thousands of people.

I think the person who is able to cobble the resources, combine them with an idea, provide jobs for thousands of people, prob ably is a better administrator than a person who is barely capable of taking care of themself.

Why do you think sucess is a bad thing?

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3lon on that k hole.. ?
anti union
anti all kinds of .. things..
here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Personal_life

Notice how crazy crypto manure piles they get.. (actual court papers- transcripts - regards to buyout drama)
? majority shareholders are savdis ffs.
https://youtu.be/WYYXTGyvDmQ

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Really just go create your island paradise or mars colony or something and quit trying to rig humanity so you can fill your empty glut holes .Then maybe people wouldn't hate them so much.
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deep down inside, every abusive sack of stuff... hates themselves.

And to deny their own self hatred, they keep trying to "prove" themselves… and patriarchy says they have to do that...by dominating over others.

They're so unaware they don't even realize they hate themselves -because- they keep trying to dominate in such stupid and futile efforts to feel "superior".

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@phrees @JonnyT @avuko so was Orwell. I'm not certain that a school makes the person *that* bad...
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An excellent summary of an amazing phenomenon. So true.
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Musk is malign so any attention is good. To many a quiet warm shack by the sea is enough. Musk needs worship and hatred. At least his 'business dancing' is slightly less disgusting than Gate's was though. The fascist perverts will take 'urban dance' lessons in the nest spawning.
I guess we should be thankful he's too weirdly formed to do 'the worm'.
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In a world where you can be anything you want to, why on earth do they decide to be them.
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Part of it is getting rich by dumb luck and thinking it was genius. Therefore all of your half-assed ideas are genius too, and nobody better say different.
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@Sarah Brown We have to assume that what they’re doing right now is “doing whatever [they] please”, and yes, sometimes the cruelty is the point.
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I would gently request removing "i*iot" as it is unnecessarily ableist language and plenty of people with less "intellectual" resources than these assholes have also been far less harmful and more caring. Thank you
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Hear, hear!

Honestly, at this point in my life, I've long ago started looking askance at anyone who's even passed $100mil--at the point you have enough money that you could almost literally do anything even a moderately unreasonable person could want for the rest of your life, and then your kids could do the same, and still leave your grandkids a nice nest egg?

Anyone who has that, and KEEPS WORKING FOR A PROFIT is in my estimation not operating in a way I can even come close to comprehending.

Elon's Twitter purchase is a good case in point here for another reason. For the amount he paid when he paid it, he could have invested enough in SpaceX to make it worth almost 150% of what it was. And that's supposedly the company that's driving his dream/passion project!

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a good time to plug 'You Are Jeff Bezos' https://philome.la/KrisLigman/you-are-jeff-bezos/index.html

Though I believe the amounts are from 2018 and no doubt is even more ludicrous now.

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I wonder whether one day we will look back on these people and know that, as well as being shitty as people, they also didn't have anywhere near as much actual money as they claimed; that it was mostly a shell game.
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I suspect the advantages are part of the problem. They make it hard to see how tough it is for everyone else to do things, and that is easily translated into blaming them for being useless.
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I think Boris is not very good with money though. He makes a lot, he spends a lot.

Probably Trump too.

Musk is richest because Tesla is somehow worth more than Toyota? I literally don't understand how that works.

@neonbubble