I’m on a tiny instance and don’t always see all comments so maybe this has been answered already.
IIRC, it’s not so much about •staring• into someone else’s eyes, but about the patterns with which NT and ND people scan faces. What parts we look at and when, in which order, and how often etc. That’s usually intuitive, and those patterns differ.
So when I talk to some NT person, they feel I’m kind of strange, or even dishonest. They may not even realise why they feel it, or they may think I’m avoiding to look at them the way they instinctively expect.
And when I talk to other autistics or auDHD people, I feel more comfortable around our interaction as well. So it goes both ways, of course.
funny, a consultant psychiatrist on the NHS told me I had very poor eye contact which indicated autism not ADHD 🤔 it's almost like they make the eye contact shite up.
(Also omg yesterday I realised it was a week since your last post and I thought the orcas got you 😱)
@Heather 👻 nah. They’re busy sinking shit in Galicia for the next couple of months. East Biscay is currently safe from them. It is not, however, safe from Extra Tropical Storm Erin.
Shit yes!! You're absolutely right! I always found that strange and thought there might be an appropriate amount of time you are allowed to hold eye contact. After that both have to look away and everything is allright. They probably teach the length in neurotypical school which explains why I never learned it. 😅
Because deaf or mute people famously cannot communicate or socialise?
Socialisation is more than words. For autists like us as well. It's just a sense we're missing, like sight or hearing.
It's part of why I started studying linguistics. I get to learn the academic description of how all that works, which rules and patterns nonverbal communication follows, and where exactly I am missing out on understanding it.
Them: You know, you should maintain eye contact instead of looking away. Me: Ok. [ Acquiring target ] [ Target locked ] [ Tracking target... ] [ Staaaare zzzZZZZ... ] Them: NOT LIKE THAT! ASFHGKLJ;DWAUGH
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I’m on a tiny instance and don’t always see all comments so maybe this has been answered already.
IIRC, it’s not so much about •staring• into someone else’s eyes, but about the patterns with which NT and ND people scan faces. What parts we look at and when, in which order, and how often etc. That’s usually intuitive, and those patterns differ.
So when I talk to some NT person, they feel I’m kind of strange, or even dishonest. They may not even realise why they feel it, or they may think I’m avoiding to look at them the way they instinctively expect.
And when I talk to other autistics or auDHD people, I feel more comfortable around our interaction as well. So it goes both ways, of course.
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •funny, a consultant psychiatrist on the NHS told me I had very poor eye contact which indicated autism not ADHD 🤔 it's almost like they make the eye contact shite up.
(Also omg yesterday I realised it was a week since your last post and I thought the orcas got you 😱)
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •well it wasn't about indefinite eye contact.
it's about "appropriate" eye contact, which relies on look-here-points and look-away-points, based on the context.
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •Because deaf or mute people famously cannot communicate or socialise?
Socialisation is more than words. For autists like us as well. It's just a sense we're missing, like sight or hearing.
It's part of why I started studying linguistics. I get to learn the academic description of how all that works, which rules and patterns nonverbal communication follows, and where exactly I am missing out on understanding it.
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Staaaare zzzZZZZ... ]
Them: NOT LIKE THAT! ASFHGKLJ;DWAUGH
Sarah Brown likes this.