Dear UK residents. I’m sorry to be tedious, but I’m going to do the trans Cassandra thing again.
The government is now moving towards regarding trans people as effective children until the age of 25.
This will be established as precedent and then used to screw over any and all young adults who can’t escape from abusive parents, especially young women.
If you want to do anything about this, you need to fight for trans people. Yes, you. Now.
We all know that isn’t going to happen to any significant extent though.
As you were.
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •@christineburns they want to break Gillick competence. Trans kids are the wedge they're using. But as in the US, they were never going to stop there.
And extending "children" to refer to people up to 25 is also, as you say, not going to stop with trans people.
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in reply to Mr Lawrence • • •It's been a tervert talking point for a while. Pretty clear where Cass stands.
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •my daughter is trans. She knew from about the age of 14 that she was trans. When we looked in to what she could expect through the NHS, we knew she’d be well in to her 20s by the time anything happened. #notgoodenough
On a side note, we have found that the whole of friends/family/friends of friends have been super supportive with very little negativity. Even in the heart of the Welsh valleys 🙂
Some idiots threatened violence because “trans” but … they learned
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One of my daughters is trans too, currently transitioning. She is a British citizen but we live in France - as you can imagine, the legal transition has been complicated! - but I have to say the French health service has been great (as it is in every respect, as far as I know).
We too have found family and friends supportive. My wife was very worried about telling her mother - elderly and very conservative - but her positive reaction surprised everybody. One of the first things she said was that she had some understanding because there had been a trans character in one of the UK soaps she watches - which shows positive media portrayals really do help people.
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Unknown parent • • •@Shadedlady The OP is referencing the Greek myth of Cassandra, who was cursed by Apollo to have visions of the future which no one would ever believe when told. She can only endlessly warn people of disasters they will never take seriously.
OP is likening this to the trans experience; we’re often the canary in the coal mine for fascist legislation, and yet dismissed as hysterical until that same fascist movement comes for them.
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Unknown parent • • •Yes, which is why students from private fee paying schools on the rampage are 'just kids' whereas people on the poor estates of the same age are 'hardened criminal thugs.'
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Unknown parent • • •@pomegranate_stew The "25+" argument is bollocks in and of itself, and when I saw it being alluded to in the report, that was the proverbial cherry on the cake.
https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/brain-development-25-year-old-mature-myth.html
A Powerful Idea About Our Brains Stormed Pop Culture and Captured Minds. It’s Mostly Bunk.
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in reply to Crocket • •@Crocket no. It’s rolling back stuff we already had. This has been happening for 20 years, since the ECHR stood up for us against the British government.
And what they do to us, they will do to the rest of you later.
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I think it's easy to underestimate how far most people have moved on this already. (Not that *most* makes it safe). There seem to be two groups pushing this:
1. boring folk who moan about the metric system, car parks, youth of today, ULEZ, "they're all as bad as each other", immigrants, etc.
2. Westminster-y policy type people, both left and right, professional dinner-party attenders, columnists, writers, wonks, essayists, student union types.
The (dangerous) difference now is that these groups -- our society's loudest, most boring, dull, dim, and reactionary, who only differ in social class -- are united on one subject.
The public don''t need to "come round".
People think Guardianista idealists lay out liberation's groundwork -- surveyors going ahead. But they're just apologists hanging on the coat-tails of emperors, minting excuses for comfortable lives at court. The powerful, their "clients", are moving right, so they're representing them, coining theories and writing reports.
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Unknown parent • • •More transphobia. Get blocked
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Unknown parent • • •@chrisjtrogers @grayface_ghost yeah, but you DO have a problem with Queer Adults and your list of talking points doesn't negate that.
We Queers can sniff dangers like you out, we have to.
Everybody here can see what you are boy.
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in reply to Simon W 🙄 🆙 ⚛️ • • •I would raise that age to 65. Need to live a little so that one can put it into perspective.
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Unknown parent • • •Bore off you absolute giraffe.
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in reply to Alexander Hay • • •Thank you for sharing this article. I hadn’t read it before.
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in reply to Pomegranate_Stew • • •@pomegranate_stew There's also this, which makes some very good points:
https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/rutnn6/striking_gold_when_does_the_brain_reach_maturity/
Striking Gold: When does the brain reach maturity?
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Unknown parent • • •Fuck off.