Just as a friendly reminder for anyone not aware:
The British press is not our friend. They, as a rule, do not publish anything, ever, favorable about trans folks, because those who control their content would very much prefer that we didn't exist.
So, if a reporter for, say, The Guardian wants to talk to you?
Don't.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •I know the prospect of being interviewed by Important People is exciting. I've been there! But always do your due diligence when a member of the press comes calling and see what sort of things they're responsible for writing before you agree to or say anything.
The 24-hour news cycle has brutalized journalism, and as a result of it we now live in a new age of yellow journalism and smear reporting. There are a few good eggs, but...
Signed: a professor in a journalism and technical comm program.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •Out of curiosity, because I haven't learned yet about who the orgs are that are fighting the good fight in the UK, are there orgs that are organized enough to fight the good fight?
That are likely to be prepared for the inevitable? (because someone is going to talk).
I might want to follow them if they have a social media presence.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •@Ghostynn @OftOverthinking Cuz this is what I'm aware of: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/cass-review
"Our team is now reviewing the 400-page report and preparing the key questions that will need to be answered if we are to truly improve trans children and young people’s gender healthcare.
We firmly believe that trans children and young people deserve to be listened to and given access to the care and support that they need."
Published yesterday.
The Cass Review - Our initial review and actions
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •This predates yesterday's note
https://twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1777991045743067461?t=1wKdy7NVV3U1bOuj-0AFgg&s=19
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in reply to Ghost isn't in the shell 🏳️⚧️ • • •@Ghostynn @OftOverthinking Yeah, this is very very diplomatic language for "don't fucking do this."
> Many recommendations could make a positive impact – such as expanding provision of healthcare by moving away from a single national service towards a series of regional centre's... But without due care, training or further capacity in the system, others could lead to new barriers that prevent children and young people from accessing the care they need and deserve.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •@Ghostynn @OftOverthinking this sounds somewhat similar to what Amsterdam UMC has published (the ones who started the "Dutch protocol"):
https://www.amsterdamumc.org/nl/vandaag/een-reactie-van-amsterdam-umc-op-de-cass-review-over-transgenderzorg.htm
It's as if they picked out all the positive parts of the review, and ignored all the negative/wrong parts except for one thing: they don't agree that the use of puberty blockers needs more evidence. But they don't say anything about the Cass recommendation of only starting treatment at 25 for example.
Een reactie van Amsterdam UMC op de Cass review over transgenderzorg
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •This is the (not authored by me) advice I give people in the US:
1. On the record vs. Off the record vs "On Background".
"On the record": This should be established at the very beginning of your discussion, full stop. Reporters at this level are operating on the presumption, absent an explicit agreement beforehand, that anything you say to them freely is basically public: They can quote you verbatim in the paper and associate that quote with your name. It is not rude for you as a source to ask this bluntly. It is also ok to say something like, "I'm potentially interested in talking on the record later in this conversation, but first, I'd like to talk off the record to understand your direction. Is that alright?" If the reporter says anything but "yes, that's alright" then the issue needs to be resolved before any kind of interview proceeds.
It is ok to ask: "I'd like to know what kind of questions you want to ask me, and to answer them, but I'd like to do so off the record first. Is that ok?"
"Off the record": If you are off the record, the expectation is t
... show moreThis is the (not authored by me) advice I give people in the US:
1. On the record vs. Off the record vs "On Background".
"On the record": This should be established at the very beginning of your discussion, full stop. Reporters at this level are operating on the presumption, absent an explicit agreement beforehand, that anything you say to them freely is basically public: They can quote you verbatim in the paper and associate that quote with your name. It is not rude for you as a source to ask this bluntly. It is also ok to say something like, "I'm potentially interested in talking on the record later in this conversation, but first, I'd like to talk off the record to understand your direction. Is that alright?" If the reporter says anything but "yes, that's alright" then the issue needs to be resolved before any kind of interview proceeds.
It is ok to ask: "I'd like to know what kind of questions you want to ask me, and to answer them, but I'd like to do so off the record first. Is that ok?"
"Off the record": If you are off the record, the expectation is that the information you tell the reporter exists in something like a "black box." The reporter gets to know what you're saying, and, if you're ok with it, take notes or record it so they can focus on listening to you and understanding the situation. The information should not exist in the reporter's published works in any way. You are not an anonymous source, you are not "a person familiar with the matter." You are off the record.
"On background": This one is a little murkier, and worth asking the reporter to define if they offer. "On background" means that a reporter may reference/use the information you gave them, but without identifying a source of that information in any way that might allow for identification. This is not "According to a professor," or "a faculty member said," unless you give your explicit consent for that wording. "On background" must be discussed with a reporter to clarify how your information will be used or presented.
Other questions:
2. What role are your quotes/information going to play in this story?
Will the reporter tell you how many other faculty sources are involved, and if so, if they are being named or staying anonymous?
The reporter may not be ethically able to give you a detailed answer, but you may learn important details. Things to consider:
Are your claims going to be the central evidence of the story, or one of a dozen or so sources describing the same issue? If you are an anonymous source, would you be joining your voice to many other anonymous sources? Being part of a critical mass of reporting/sources, even when anonymous, is both strong reporting *and* works to provide you safety and cover if a third party attempts to ID you.
3 It is ok to ask, "I'd like to know what kind of questions you want to ask me, but I'd like to do so off the record first."
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in reply to Joseph Riparian 🏳️⚧️ • • •@holyramenempire I get where you're coming from, but when it's the British press, and especially places like The Guardian? They have a pretty long record of straight-up lying to people they interview about trans stuff, up to and including Judith Butler, to smear us.
It's just not worth it.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •@holyramenempire
That's really good information Joseph.
I'm with Doc on this one, as far as random trans people in the world on this issue right now:
Just don't. Leave this stuff to people in the loop, authorized by organizations to talk to the press about what's going on.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •I didn't mean it as a contradiction of your post at all, just a tangent. Like, "if anyone is considering being a source for a US reporter, since things are popping off here, too, here are some things to consider." Maybe I thought it was more on-topic than it was, in which case I'm sorry about that!
(Edit: Oh, it was because you mentioned "due diligence"! This was an example of how to think of that process.)
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in reply to Joseph Riparian 🏳️⚧️ • • •I would also highly recommend before even starting an interview to do some serious googling about their history of journalism, controversial pieces they've authored, and whether you feel like they can be trusted to fairly represent your point of view in the story. I mean, ALL journalism is going to involve making a thesis for your story, collecting evidence that fits the thesis, and writing it out in such a way that you convey the story you want to tell to the readers. But some journalists do pretty dodgy shit to try to make the sources and evidence imply shit that was never said.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •just to add on to this, if anyone we know ever wants advice about press stuff, please reach out! we're happy to help!
we think it's important for a free society that people feel able to talk to the press. it's just also important to apply some critical thinking.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •In Hungary once a journalist (not far-far, but still kinda-far right winged kind) asked me for an interview about trans life...
I accepted it without hesitation (with a nice plan to make it fun) and wasted their time as much as possible. Whatever question they asked I started to talk about trains, the weather, the ocean life, the type of wood of the table we were sitting.
That was so much fun.
4ever, they deserved it.
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in reply to Isabel Ruffell • • •@iaruffell If they make up quotes, the best you can do is go public with your evidence of refusal.
Not all journalists are bad. There's just... well, some bad people heading some important newsrooms right now.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • • •honestly I have never heard a british accent mention trans people in a non-discriminatory way. It seems like if someome is british and their voice is being recorded, they are required by law to make a negative joke about trans people.
Especially the tall asshole on the british car shows. Dude is obsessed.
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in reply to Doc "Atombusen" Impossible • •@Doc "Atombusen" Impossible Daily Mail once tried to do a transphobic hit piece on me. They asked me to comment.
I told them that they were scraping the bottom of the barrel and that their “story” was a vacuous attempt to fill column inches, and they should stop embarrassing their profession and go and report some real news.
They spiked it.
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