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in reply to Chris Trottier

@Chris Trottier you mention Beethoven. Maybe not the first pop star, but I think he was definitely the first rock star, down to smashing up hotel rooms and everything!
in reply to Sarah Brown

@goatsarah I get what you’re saying but I think it’s important to acknowledge rock music as distinct from the European tradition of music.

So I think the first rock star was Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

@goatsarah I feel she is to Rock what Kraftwerk (and Dolomite) is to hip hop and rap. She’s a very important influence for sure. But she lacks the rock star persona. The whole Elvis/Joan Jett bad influence thing.

Is rock really that distinct? There’s a lot of one thing led to another. Rap wouldn’t exist without four Germans, and blues, soul, jazz, rock, Hendrix forever changed music but is connected to so much.

in reply to Gen X-Wing

@goatsarah That said I think that a lot of minority groups haven’t been given credit where credit is due, and we always should strive to do so.

I find the racist snobbery around classical music beyond stupid. It’s just music. Liszt and John Lee Hooker are equally valuable.

Also everyone can play any music. Just look at Eminem, Tosin Abasi, and Ray Chen.

in reply to Sarah Brown

@goatsarah My money is always on Paganini. He had it all. He changed music forever (very very few has), he was an extreme virtuoso, he composed, he had people fainting at his shows, pretty sure he’s the origin of violins + devil = selling your soul, and the Pope refused to let him be buried.

He was as metal as anyone in my book.

in reply to Chris Trottier

How about Thomas Moore, the guy that wrote "The Minstrel Boy" and "The Last Rose of Summer" and "The Harp That Once Through Tara's Hall"? He predated Claribel by a bit; very early 19th century. I don't know if he got paid royalties, but, no pun intended, his songs and poems did introduce him to literal royalty; he was apparently buddies with George IV back when he was Prince Regent.
in reply to 𝐉𝐨𝐧 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫

@jonberger I’d personally put Thomas Moore more into the realm of folk music.

What makes Claribel different from Thomas Moore is that she represented a two-fold shift in the music industry.

First, prior to Claribel coming along, composers would sell their copyrights to music publishers. So once the music was published, the composers didn’t own it.

But Claribel also incentivized music publishers to organize concerts for new compositions. Previously, they just printed the music and that was it. Because of Claribel, it became lucrative to promote concerts for commercial music.

It should also be noted that the first magazine ad ever for a song was one written by Claribel.