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The linked document is being circulated amongst NHS service providers for young trans people. It advises cessation of ALL medical intervention for transition but goes further. It suggests that if the patient or parents continue to access trans healthcare outside their system, they should be reported to social services with the implicit threat that the children will be taken from their parents.
IF YOU ARE A YOUNG TRANS PERSON OR A PARENT OF ONE, IT IS LIKELY UNSAFE TO ENGAGE WITH NHS MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JSe-BPuhrSxsuxV4RLpbjCQRPMCFHbGQpv_UwWLfqF8/edit
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •Rachel Greenham
in reply to Sarah Brown • • •@cstross this country is basically becoming as bad as the reddest of red states in the US on this issue. And Labour aren't going to do anything. And Scotland isn't going to be a refuge.
Being older it hasn't affected me directly yet, but it's still making me increasingly anxious and depressed. for one thing, i'm sure they’ll get around to us that transitioned years ago. and for another, i mean, what a shithole this place is.
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Ghost of Hope
in reply to Rachel Greenham • • •@StrangeNoises @cstross
The game plan is laid out for us all to see in the US. They'll come for our care next - they've effectively broken NHS clinic care, all they need to do next is block the private clinics, order GPs to stop prescribing, and bump up the controlled status of oestradiol a bit.
At which point I run to the EU.
Will it happen? I don't know. The British public as a whole aren't as deranged as the MAGA people and it will be a hard sell to do it. Depends how much further right Starmer wants to go once he's in number 10. I'd say at this point it's about 50-50
Jon
in reply to Ghost of Hope • • •Ghost of Hope
in reply to Jon • • •@oddhack @StrangeNoises @cstross
I don't think we are, your fash are just more advanced and your far-right idiot voters a bit more numerous.
The current government here has been making noises about withdrawing from human rights conventions, reducing the power of the judiciary and so on for a while now.
And they've brought in voter ID which as we all know is a classic for suppressing the votes of the poor and minorities.
We have a real problem here in not having a written constitution.
Rachel Greenham
in reply to Ghost of Hope • • •@grayface_ghost @oddhack @cstross OTOH they're going to lose the next election, which has to happen by January, probably sooner, and they're going to lose it badly.
the real cause for the loss of hope is that the main opposition party has been assiduously stamping on any suggestion that they might do anything differently. and in particular seem to be signed up to all the same transphobic bullshit.
Jon
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in reply to Jon • • •C++ Guy
in reply to Ghost of Hope • • •@grayface_ghost @StrangeNoises @cstross
Most of us can't even run to the EU. The xenophobes trapped us here in 2016.
(I'm not trans, but I have other reasons for wanting a bolthole.)
I didn't know where Labour stood on gender recognition, so I looked it up:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/26/labour-grassroots-back-starmer-gender-self-identification
Labour grassroots back Starmer’s new stance on gender, allies claim after poll
Michael Savage (The Guardian)Ghost of Hope
in reply to C++ Guy • • •@CppGuy @StrangeNoises @cstross
Running to the EU involves getting a residency visa to an EU country. I have a couple of options, the most attractive is a D7 to Portugal. Most people have the option of Ireland under the CTA and then citizenship after 5 years, unless the Blue or Red Tories manage to screw that up which is looking increasingly likely.
Brexiteers have really screwed it up for us. Solidarity ✊
Ghost of Hope
in reply to Ghost of Hope • • •On the trans rights stuff, don't ask the media. Ask trans people.
Starmer's a transphobe and so is the Shadow Health Secretary.
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C++ Guy
in reply to Ghost of Hope • • •@grayface_ghost @StrangeNoises @cstross
I'd never heard of the CTA. Thanks! Here are some details, for anyone else in the UK who might need them:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance
https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/become-an-irish-citizen-by-naturalisation/
Common Travel Area: rights of UK and Irish citizens
Cabinet Office (GOV.UK)Sarah Brown
in reply to Ghost of Hope • •Sarah Brown
Unknown parent • •That says exactly the same fucking thing. They’re just using euphemisms.
You’re either operating in “naive useful idiot” mode here, or you’re being a deliberate apologist. Don’t care which. plonk
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Unknown parent • • •Site Reliability Enby🏳️⚧️🏁🔦📈🐺👗
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Unknown parent • • •Stop being a concern troll. You know exactly what that means to transphobes.
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Unknown parent • • •@jaruzel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concern_troll
The NHS is an incredibly transphobic organisation. This document is giving every single bigot within it free license to report people for receiving healthcare.
Do you think a transphobe, which the NHS is fucking infested with, is EVER going to think that a trans person is not "at risk" from being affirmed?
At least you're aware of your problem.
Internet slang for someone who is deliberately inflammatory online
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Sarah Brown
in reply to Site Reliability Enby🏳️⚧️🏁🔦📈🐺👗 • •@Site Reliability Enby🏳️⚧️🏁🔦📈🐺👗 @Jaruzel yeah. Got no time for disingenuous apologism for exterminationalists. They know what they mean. We know what they mean. They know we know what they mean.
I will block this crap on sight b
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Unknown parent • • •"Oh noooooo she said 'fuck' when discussing exterminationists! So much for the tolerant left!"
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in reply to Sarah Brown • • •my daughter was around 13 when she first opened up about being trans, when she was 16/17 we started looking at the options, and camhs was the first stop after being referred.
They were helpful and pleasant, but ultimately, pretty F’ing useless. We went private and while it’s still been a ‘journey’, things are good and she’s happy. Fuck transphobes, and shitty shit like this. My daughter is my priority, her happiness is paramount and NO ONE will change that.
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in reply to Jamie • • •Professor_Stevens
in reply to Jamie • • •I like your priorities.
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in reply to Jamie • • •Jamie
in reply to ian • • •@ian I think they do what they can, within limits, to meet bare minimum standard … if they get 6 months to respond to something, they’ll take 6 months, which is why they process with them could be 5 years before anything significant happens.
Yes, those fortunate enough can take the easier route and pay to go private, but I genuinely fear for those that don’t have that luxury, it’s heartbreaking
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in reply to Jamie • • •She's lucky to have you as her dad. 🙂
Edit: typo.
violetmadder
in reply to Sarah Brown • • •@SiteRelEnby @jaruzel
Probably a good call, from a look at some of their other posts.
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in reply to Site Reliability Enby🏳️⚧️🏁🔦📈🐺👗 • •@Site Reliability Enby🏳️⚧️🏁🔦📈🐺👗 @violetmadder @Jaruzel “The correct democratic way”.
Dear god, some people say the most self-important, stupid shit.
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Unknown parent • •@MidgePhoto I do not believe you are engaging in good faith. This document is going to result in deaths of kids who can’t get help because their parents are terrified they will be placed in “care” and forcibly subjected to conversion “therapy”.
You’re a transphobe. Get the hell off my post.
Sarah Brown
in reply to Sarah Brown • •@MidgePhoto “mundane”. Jesus fucking Christ! Talk about the banality of evil.
The fuck is wrong with these people that not only do they want us casually exterminated? They want to get up in our face on social media and gloat about it.
Tormod Halvorsen
in reply to Sarah Brown • • •This is just terrible.
I am no expert, but surely there must be plenty of studies with positive results? Claiming “very little is known” just doesn’t make sense.
Suspecting much of this is purely political, not medical.
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Tormod Halvorsen
in reply to Sarah Brown • • •Sarah Brown
in reply to Tormod Halvorsen • •@Tormod Halvorsen You may well say that, and i wouldn’t argue.
Sadly, the health system in the UK is institutionally transphobic, and always has been.