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“I tried the fediverse and didn’t follow anyone and it sucked, so I stopped and went back to Twitter again.”

These people would have hated Twitter circa 2008 when it had pretty much exactly the same issue.

But that’s the point of social media: to find likeminded people with common interests. Somewhere along the line that changed into social media being a thing that tells you what you think, and what you should be liking.

That’s easy, but it’s mental refined sugar. It’s just incredibly crap for you.

If you want interesting, fun and stimulating stuff, follow interesting, fun and stimulating people.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I mean, the fediverse has well over a million regularly active users, and many more occasional ones. Some of those are gonna be writing stuff you want to read.

If someone looks vaguely interesting, FOLLOW THEM. They will likely be boosting other stuff you find interesting. Follow the people who post that. This way you will home on on “your people”.

It’s really that simple.

in reply to Sarah Brown

I created a Twitter account very early (my sequential user ID had 5 digits) and then didn’t use it for 4 years or so because nothing really happened there. On mastodon I found a lot of people (many moving from Twitter, but many new to me) almost immediately.

But I reckon it really depends on your interests. For many topics, mastodon is a void. The vanPoli tag has 3 posts per week or so. All the debate about Vancouver urban planning and cycling is still on Twitter.

in reply to Sarah Brown

Imo Mastodon frontend should encourage this UX by making the follow button clickable from the home screen
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski If you aren’t seeing the other people on your server, there are two reasons for this. Either defederation (unlikely unless you’re looking for shitheads on shithead instances), or far more likely, they aren’t federated to your server because NOBODY IS FOLLOWING THEM THERE.

I repeat, if posts aren’t making it to your server, it’s because NOBODY IS ASKING FOR THEM.

If you want to see someone’s posts on your server, maybe try following them?

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Sarah Brown

@zimowski My feed is full of people posting food, art, stuff they like, etc.

And I’ve been on the internet since 1992. It was never “very innocent”.

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Anders Puck Nielsen
@zimowski Not actually. Try following people.
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski Praising Mastodon? Mate, I’m not even on Mastodon. I have an account there which I never use to occasionally test stuff. That’s it.
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski “Enjoying aggression”

I just went to my feed and looked at the first posts. They are, in order:

A news article about taxation

A picture of a friend’s pet

An article about renewable energy use and how it’s increasing

A technical support question about video hosting

Someone posting their daily Wordle result

Landscape photography

News about Ukraine

Commentary on what Twitter’s death means for LGBT rights

Someone saying good morning.

Oh, and these are all within 5 minutes.

Honestly, the only aggression here (other than reporting on the Russian stuff but, you know, current events), is coming from you.

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Sarah Brown

@zimowski yes. It appears someone on your Mastodon server follows me, and hence sees my posts.

But I myself do not use it.

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Anders Puck Nielsen
@zimowski No. But we are tired of hearing people who only follow 21 accounts saying that nothing is happening here.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Wow. My first block over here. It's been 9 months

(Yes obvs I have pale male & stale priv)

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Sarah Brown
@zimowski I expect someone they followed reposted something I said. I’ve got over a thousand followers. They must have come from somewhere. My instance only has five people on it in total.
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Anders Puck Nielsen “Why are the people I’m asking for advice on how to build a timeline here, who have timelines here, all giving the same answer? I want a different answer! They must all be wrong!”
in reply to Sarah Brown

> Somewhere along the line that changed into social media being a thing that tells you what you think, and what you should be liking.

I really appreciate that Mastodon has no algorithm. I've set up my timeline with exactly the kind of people and content I want to see, and it's finite in quantity. There's no algorithm to push an agenda on me, or to keep me engaged with a never-ending feed of content.

There's only what I asked for. No more, no less.

in reply to Dave Heinemann 🇦🇺

@dHeinemann
I appreciate being my own admin. I love being able to curate my instance feed's trends without having to stifle anyone else's experience.
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Sam Cuypers
@zimowski mate, I just scrolled through your recent posts and replies and all I can see is complaining about timelines, following and how broken Mastodon is. You say there isn't enough 'real' content here. Have you ever considered you might be part of the problem?
in reply to Sam Cuypers

@Sam Cuypers @zimowski Why are you saying the same things as everyone else? Are you working for … THEM?!? (Da da daaaaaa!)
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Sam Cuypers
@zimowski that's bullshit, that's clearly not what I'm saying. I'm not interested in whatever it is your trying to do here to entertain yourself. It's Saturday morning, I got pictures of cats to look at. Bye now.
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski Because I likely replied to someone else’s post and they clicked through to my profile.

Servers fetch posts if someone on the local server interacts with them.

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David Gerard
@zimowski you need to pay us more to entertain you
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski And yet your posts are on my server. Astonishing how that happened isn’t it?
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Anders Puck Nielsen
@zimowski You need to follow hundreds to get a lively timeline. In the beginning just follow everyone that seems vaguely interesting, and then clean up later. I know it takes some work – we have all been there. I follow almost 800 accounts, and I obviously didn't find those people on day one either.
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Anders Puck Nielsen
@zimowski Ok, go ahead and do what you want, then. But it does seem to me that you don't understand how things end up in your timeline in a non-algorithmic system.
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Anders Puck Nielsen “How dare people answer my question!”
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Anders Puck Nielsen
@zimowski It's not the same system as on Twitter. That was literally the point of @goatsarah’s original post.
in reply to Sarah Brown

Some people appreciate true interaction. The exchange of information and knowledge.
Like it or not, most prefer to be entertained instead
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@zimowski Er, it is automated exactly as you say.
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Anders Puck Nielsen
@zimowski That Twitter fills up your timeline with things you might find interesting and people you might like. Here it's just a chronological list of posts. So if you only follow 21 persons, then you will have a very limited number of new posts to look at.
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski it is. If you follow someone, your server will fetch those posts.
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski You are so very close to getting it.

It’s because you are interacting with me. You complain that it should happen automatically. It literally is.

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David Gerard
@zimowski got something here to improve your timeline for you
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes Presumably because nobody on your instance is following that account.

Why would your instance fetch random shit nobody has asked for, or tried to interact with?

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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes Then presumably nobody has posted since you followed it.
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Anders Puck Nielsen
@zimowski @aurochs Maybe if you have a very specialized server and rely on the local timeline instead of your own timeline. But that excludes everyone that is not on that server, so it's a rare use case. Most people don't use it that way, and in general it doesn't matter much which server you are on.
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes You can see old posts on the account’s own server. It won’t fetch stuff that was posted before anyone started requesting it.
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes These transactions are not zero cost. Servers fetch what they need to. They will not waste time fetching stuff that nobody is interacting with.
in reply to Anders Puck Nielsen

@anderspuck @zimowski I don't interact particularly with people from my server, but the local timeline can be a start to find people (as I think the federated timeline is just crazy XD ) you can also search hashtags and such things.
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes Follow. The. Account.

It's like talking to a brick wall.

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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes You can see them on the original profile. It says so on your screenshot.
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes You absolutely can interact with them. Follow them, mention them, whatever. You are interacting with me. We are on different servers. I'm not even on Mastodon.
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes It's entirely consistent and has been explained to you many, many times.

It fetches what it needs t fetch, and gets sent what it's asked for.

You want to see posts from an account? Follow it.

It's that simple.

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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes There was a post an hour ago. If you haven't seen it, it might be having issues keeping up.

You absolutely can interact with old posts. As you're on mastodon, you should see a box that says, "search or paste URL". Paste the URL of the post you want to respond to in there. It will fetch it.

And then you can reply.

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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes It is done automatically. Follow the account. The posts will show up in your feed, entirely automatically.

But if you want to comment on some random thing, then you need a URL for it, just like you do on any other site in existence.

in reply to Sarah Brown

@Alexandra Lanes @zimowski I'm thinking you are being deliberately obtuse at this point. Surely nobody is this stupid.
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes That's because someone on your site follows me, so my posts federate there.

If nobody follows an account on your site, it won't get the posts until someone does.

This has been explained so many times, and you keep saying the same thing.

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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes Your server isn't polling for posts. The remote server sends them. It does this to all followers when someone makes the post.

What it's not going to do is go back and send every post that an account has made when you follow, because that would be spam.

Therefore, if you wish to comment on an old post, simply enter its URL in the search box. Your server will then go and get it, and you can reply or repost as you see fit.

This has been explained so very many times now that I'm starting to think what you're doing here is some sort of weird performance art.

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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes This thing that's controlling what you see, is it in the room with us now?
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes The accounts you follow are sent to you.

There are only so many different ways of saying this.

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Sarah Brown
@zimowski @Alexandra Lanes complain to my server admin if you want.
in reply to Sarah Brown

I tried Mastodon a few years ago and hated it, probably because I don’t like the format of the bird site either.

However, I was persuaded to join a trial/testing Friendica instance and found the format much better for me.

One of the beauties of the Fediverse is the fact that instances of different types all interact with each other.

in reply to Kacey

@Kacey Yeah. Friendica is very much my second go at Fedi too, and it works out much better for me. It's a seriously underrated bit of software, and it's always nice to see the logo pop up next to comments 😊
in reply to Sarah Brown

I mostly entirely used twitter via 3rd party apps till He Who Should Not Be Named killed them. Masto is *entirely* the same as all the twitter I ever used 🤷‍♀️
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Sarah Brown
@zimowski It’s a kbin account. Kbin, as new software, is known to be having problems with federation.
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Sarah Brown

@zimowski There are problems with that one specific server.

Out of over twenty thousand.

If you want content in your timeline, follow people.

If you want to rant and complain, piss off back to Twitter.

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Sarah Brown
@zimowski You’re on my wall 🤷🏻‍♀️
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Her_Doing

@zimowski
Z, you've been rude to everyone in this entire thread. That is not welcome here, & on Twitter I would have blocked you in an instant. (And I will here, if you respond w rudeness to me.)

However, on the chance you are genuinely asking in good faith, the other way to find people is to put a hashtag in the search box - #Taiga, #Java, a favourite band, or whatever you are interested in. It will help you find people w common interests whom you may wish to follow.

Good luck.