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France: Any journey shorter than 4 hours by train should not be allowed to be taken by plane.

Me, after using French railways for a couple of weeks: They’re running plane services for distances of only 100km?

I’m honestly shocked at how functionally useless French railways are. “Welcome to our interchange. Please wait 2 hours surrounded by screaming kids and chain smokers for your connection. No you can’t have a fucking coffee”

Dear the UK, you have it better than you could possibly believe.

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in reply to Sarah Brown

I travelled from Basel in Switzerland to a small town in the Alsace region back in the early 2010s. It took 3 trains each of which involved waiting an hour or two for the connection.
Apparently it doesn't takem much longer to get to that town from Paris!
in reply to geekylou :transgender_flag:

@geekylou :transgender_flag: Ze taxi rank, it is outside. Of course, it is non avec taxis. There is ze list of phone numbers. Some of zem work and will connect you to François who lives 2 hours away. He will laugh and tell you that he can pick you up in his knackered Citroen in 3 hours. No you cannot have a fucking coffee. It is 3pm and we have all gone home. Bye.
in reply to Sarah Brown

sounds about as bad as DB and MVV here in München. If you want to go I to or out of the city you are probably okay, and the same to a degree in crossing the city, so long as you only want to cross in the East-West axis. Any other journeys or going around the city? No such luck unless you have are car. There is talk of a ringbahn but that is all it is at the moment, especially with the new trunk line taking an age to build and seemingly nownear completion and the Hauptbahnhof having been a building site now for years!
in reply to Alexa (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️

@Alexa (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️ So my recent experience is Brittany, which has a couple of mainlines and a bunch of feeder lines. The feeder lines just ... do not link up with the mainline services. In Portugal, which also has this sort of arrangement on a massively shrunk network, the trains on feeders are timetabled to meet connections,. and the connections will be held if necessary. In the UK, connections are typically not held, but are frequent enough that it doesn't matter.

In France, neither of these appear to be true. You are left at a railway station and the next mainline train doesn't even stop there, despite it being an interchange with hundreds of people waiting on the platform. When one finally does stop, it's utterly rammed.

in reply to Sarah Brown

this is common everywhere in the provinces including in the UK to be honest, with a plethora of issues relating to trying to maintain two centuries old infrastructure, deferred maintenance, line closures, antiquated signalling systems and so on.

London has a good network but get beyond London and things rapidly change in my experience. Same here in Germany.

in reply to Alexa (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️

@Alexa (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️ I can't agree. The UK, even in places as remote as North Wales, actually tries to timetable branch line shuttles to connect to mainline services in less than ninety minutes.

In France, it doesn't even seem to occur to them that this is a thing they can do.

in reply to Sarah Brown

in reply to Alexa (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️

@Alexa (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️ These were very clearly not lines short of slots. The branches were literal shuttles where they had pretty much total freedom of scheduling. Train goes from one end to the other. Has dedicated platform at the mainline station. Massive amounts of dwell time. There is literally nothing else on the line.

They weren’t even trying.

in reply to Sarah Brown

@Alexa (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️ Closest equivalent I can think of in the UK that I’m familiar with is the Dengie Peninsula shuttle. Literally the only scheduling issue is that the train coming the other way needs to be in the passing loop to go past.

I’m fully aware of all the issues that you highlight. This wasn’t that. Connections just aren’t a thing, and it seemed systemic too. Get to the terminus of one of these branches and there’s a taxi rank. There are no taxis in it. Ever. There’s a piece of A4 with the numbers of a few minicab companies. The shuttle comes in 4 times a day. The idea that the people getting off it might want a taxi to the next town over, or a bus (because, surprise surprise, the buses do not attempt to link up with train times either), appears to be utterly alien.

in reply to Sarah Brown

very strange to have trains, presumably quite full, coming in to a station and not have taxis waiting to fight for passengers! They sure as hell do here to the extent that the local road to the airport often has more taxis in it than rush hour traffic!

As for timetabling to meet mainline services, with four return services a Dayana assuming not crossing any other lines via points, timing should not be much of an issue. However, we ARE talking about France 🇫🇷…

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MJ Ray
@TimWardCam GB Rail doesn't wait for stragglers if the two trains are run by different companies (previously, different sectors) but at least if you have to wait an hour for the next clockface-ish service, the company causing the delay repays some of the ticket price. If you can plan to arrive an hour earlier than needed, it usually works well. If less, then it can get stressful
in reply to Sarah Brown

Also unless one end of your journey is in Paris you have stupid detours in your future.
in reply to Sarah Brown

@TimWardCam well, we do have some 1 #train per 2 hour services overdue for improvement like Peterborough-Ipswich and a few daily oddballs like Cambridge-Harwich, but in general, GB regional service frequency beats French. Slower and fewer high speed services in GB though. Lots of 180 and 160kph lines with little bits of 205.