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Just reply to him with a few accounts of trans women getting a laryngectomy. You're just doing it to support his fetish of forcing people to cut their own throats by denying them the ONLY CHANCE they will EVER have to do something about it hormonally. You don't get a second puberty!

"I want to ban anyone from hormones until they're 18." == "I want to cut open people's throats."

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I knew at a very young age what would happen if I told anyone. There were several times at a young that I was seconds from coming out. Staying in the closet saved my life as I would find out when I did come out to my parents decades later. What would have happened is something I think about a lot. They still try when given the opportunity and my safety is more important.
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"Let kids be kids" is such a meaningless phrase. The reality is the vast majority of those saying it would never do what it says either. So its a way of spotting hypocrites. The reality is its extremely rare to find any adult, parent or otherwise, who would let a non-adult have any measure of freedom. Thank you for sharing your story.
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I'm sorry that was your experience. The best version I know was a coworker's grandchild. They told their parents after junior kindergarten they believed they were really a girl. Over the summer everyone got their shit together and the child went back to senior kindergarten as a girl. Their classmates at school got over the switch in about ten minutes and they've been a happy, contented kid ever since. The way it should be.
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J. R. DePriest :EA DATA. SF:

@jfmezei
How did you know your "mental sex" matched your "physical sex" at age 5?

I assume the way you were being socialized, the nicknames you were given, the clothing you were provided, the behavior that was encouraged, the colors you were permitted to like, the stuffed animals you had, the toys you were given all matched who you thought you were.

From birth, you are immediately are inundated with "girls should be like this; boys should be like that". It's everywhere, down to the color your room is painted and whether or not they put a bow in your first whispy hairs.

As soon as you can see boys and girls are treated differently, you can tell which side you'd rather be on. If it matches, you'll never notice. If it doesn't match, then you have gender dysphoria.

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J. R. DePriest :EA DATA. SF:

@jfmezei
My wife was a tomboy. She played with Tonka trucks in her sandbox and the last time she wore makeup or a dress was almost thirty years ago at our wedding.

She never once thought about being a boy.

You cannot understand gender dysphoria if you've never felt it. You don't have to understand it. Just believe people when they tell you.

She doesn't understand gender dysphoria, either. But she loves me and she knows how much happier I am since I transitioned.

in reply to Sarah Brown

Just relate to this so much. Never could quite put it into words. So thank you. My family were not so abusive nor were they violent but the shame. And guilt. I have recently been thinking about the lack of a childhood - in spite of best intentions. I have found I have almost no memories from childhood. My partner in spite of a very abusive upbringing has far more childhood memories. "best intentions" is my invention and not appropriate. Yet I still call their denial of my existence that. Thank you for sharing.
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@jrdepriest Another question: until person reaches 18, the parents are legally in charge, right?

Between childhood and onset of puberty, would there need to be some psychologist/psychiatrist to determine the child does have disphoria, and then guide parents on how to properly deal/decide for child?

If puberty blockers only postpone need for actual treatment, at what age must THE decision be made for hormonal treatments?
Correct to assume surgery can wait till after 18?

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in reply to J. R. DePriest :EA DATA. SF:

@jrdepriest I am asking questions because I want to learn. For instance you confirmed that they consider psychiatric evaluations as a kid to be part of “gender affirming care”. But most would interpret their proposed bans as only banning surgery or hormones. I asked about parents because it is often said parents often have problems dealing with a trans kid. So if they can block treatments, this becomes issue.
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@jrdepriest @jfmezei
The transphobes' position is that any affirmation, including social transition should be banned or classed as child abuse. Legal bans in a number of US states have encoded that.

England, as well as banning puberty blockers, has made social transition at school very difficult. The goal of transphobes is to prevent trans people from existing, or at least from appearing in a public context. They have said so explicitly. Starting with the kids is a tactic.

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@jrdepriest @erininthemorning.com @transworld @whatthetrans @trans_rescue I did not wish to invalidate your experiences.

But when you have politicians spreading disinformation, in becomes important to learn from peopke affectred what the real answers are and that requires asking them about the politial claims. You may see this and insulting you, but this is about learning how to respond to those political claims.

have learned from this thread and thank you for it.

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@jrdepriest @jfmezei
I secretly wished for my whole life that my body would have developed in the other direction and I never told anybody because I knew I would just be shamed or yelled at.

I felt like my flat chest was disgusting and my skin was too acne ridden and my body was just grotesque all around.

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@jfmezei @burnoutqueen @jrdepriest I don't know what the actual decisions are in Québec but the principle is "Children 14 to 17 years old (but under 18) can make decisions on their own about care necessary for their health," so this whole under 18 thing should not matter if they are interpreting the principle correctly.
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@jfmezei @erininthemorning.com @transworld @whatthetrans @trans_rescue

This is a link to a good post about the state of transgender discourse for allies or potential allies.

mas.to/@BruceMirken/1162994091…